Add ruling authority of DR Congo [Risolto]

Hi
I'll suggest adding the "Democratic Republick (1964-1971 & 1997-date)" to, well DR Congo.
But further more I'll also like to suggest merging some of the congolese ruling sections, like eg. getting the Republic of Zaire inbetween DR Congo, Belgian Congo and the Congo Free State before, instead of having it by itself?

Looking forward to read what you think about the merging, but hope the addition of the Democratic Republic can be possible :D
- Jamtrup

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_the_Congo

Hello,

Sorry, not sure I fully understand the problem with Zaire?
Could you clarify a bit, please?

Regards
strato

Hey Strato
It's not so much about being a problem with Zaïre, I just thought abouth merging some of the Congolese ruling authorities together. That's mostly because, as I understand it, Zaïre was "just" a name of the republic between the first part of the Democratic Republic from 1964-1971 and followed by the Democratic Republic from 1997-date. Does that make more sense?

Best regards
- Jamtrup

Hello,

Thank you. DR Congo, Belgian Congo, Congo Free State, and Zaire should soon show up as a single issuer:
Congo, Democratic Republic of the

The following rulers should be available:

Congo Free State
--- Leopold II (king, 1885-1908)
Belgian Congo
--- Leopold II (king, 1908-1909)
--- Albert I (king, 1909-1934)
--- Leopold III (king, 1934-1951)
Republic of the Congo (Léopoldville)
--- Republic (1960-1964)
--- Joseph Kasa-Vubu (president, 1960-1965)
--- Democratic Republic (1964-1971)
--- Mobutu Sese Seko (president, 1965-1997)
Zaire
--- Republic (1971-1997)
Democratic Republic of the Congo
--- democratic Republic (1997-date)

Congo Free State should be separated issuer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_Free_State

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certainly reject this change, until the main catalog of world coins Krause, the issuers are separated.​​​​

Apoiado a decisão de não separar.

Cita: "stratocaster"​Hello,
​
​Thank you. DR Congo, Belgian Congo, Congo Free State, and Zaire should soon show up as a single issuer:
​Congo, Democratic Republic of the
​
​The following rulers should be available:
​
​Congo Free State
​--- Leopold II (king, 1885-1908)
​Belgian Congo
​--- Leopold II (king, 1908-1909)
​--- Albert I (king, 1909-1934)
​--- Leopold III (king, 1934-1951)
​Republic of the Congo (Léopoldville)
​--- Republic (1960-1964)
​--- Joseph Kasa-Vubu (president, 1960-1965)
​--- Democratic Republic (1964-1971)
​--- Mobutu Sese Seko (president, 1965-1997)
​Zaire
​--- Republic (1971-1997)
​Democratic Republic of the Congo
​--- democratic Republic (1997-date)

​Isso é um absurdo com o Congo, juntar o Congo do passado colonial a Republica Democrática do Congo é um erro e completamente sem sentindo, são épocas e acontecimentos muito diferentes.

Voto pela rejeição da proposta. São emissores distintos.

Same territory, same people, same ruler, no historic discontinuity... It's actually the same country. Just different name and status.

Cita: "stratocaster"​Same territory, same people, same ruler, no historic discontinuity... It's actually the same country. Just different name and status.

​This rule should be applied to all Numista catalog?

We split Austria, we split Germany but this we're going to merge? No other coin catalog or website does this. Numista wants to be holier than the pope and sails his own course. Hopefully it doesn't sink or lose other Cyrillius's.

Selon Krause et bien l’histoire et culture de la région en question, je crois bien que les émetteurs doivent venir séparément.

Cita: "Essor Prof"​We split Austria, we split Germany but this we're going to merge? No other coin catalog or website does this. Numista wants to be holier than the pope and sails his own course. Hopefully it doesn't sink or lose other Cyrillius's.

​The splits of Germany and Austria are based on very significant territorial changes. They were multi-national empires that got split into modern countries. That doesn't seem to be the case of DR Congo at all

They are distinct emitters with distinct historical momentos. Leave it as it was.

Can you please clarify what is actually different?

The problem is this. We don't have a standart to follow here:

French Cameroon = Cameroon (they are splited).
Ceylon = Sri Lanka (they are merged).
Timor = Portuguese Timor (they are splited).
France = France Royals (they are merged).
Spanish Civil War = Spanish (they are merged, and now there are discutions to split it again...)

The classification changes according to the opinion of the referee who change it.

There is not a rule.

Hi all, thank you for your comments.
just look closer to this case and :

about post from Turii
here you have full story about french cameroon : https://en.numista.com/forum/topic86557.html
Dont know the rest but if there were geographical territory change it should be splitted.

About merging this issuers :
I was about to not merge them and keep as separate issuers but then i found this link :
http://www.bcc.cd/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51&Itemid=65

"Throughout these modifications, the monetary unit itself has taken on different names ranging first from "Congolese franc" inherited from colonial times, then to "zaire" in 1967, then to "new zaire" in 1993. and finally again to the "Congolese franc" from 1998"

now is the question what about Gold Coast and Ghana ? Same case. What about Italian Eritrea ? Same case

Thank you doc_man for implementing the merge and thank you all for the feedback!
I think the request in this thread can now be marked as complete

Cita: "stratocaster"​Thank you doc_man for implementing the merge and thank you all for the feedback!
​I think the request in this thread can now be marked as complete
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​Please change flags at Dr Congo. Zair, Katanga Free Congo etc had own flag but now all had the same - DR Congo flag

Up, Zair Congo Free State still missing on the Congo list. If this is not possible please add flags as it is done with Germany - 1871-1948, polish partitions, italians states or canadian province.
Regards,
Damian