Long live to Franz II [Risolto]

It is a bit strange to open many articles, such as
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7076.html

and discover that the ruler at the right top table Francis II (1792-1804)

already is not a ruler of the territory and the coins with His profile dated 1805 and 1806 are issued posthumous. It contradicts the reality, coinage tradition in Austria and common sense.

Is it possible to correct the dates?

For example SCWC gives
Franz II (I), 1792-1835
(as Franz II, Holy Roman Emperor, 1792-1806)
(as Franz I, Austrian Emperor, 1806-1835)

He was also the Archduke of Austria from 1792 to 1806. I don't know whether the coins were issued as HRE or AD.

He was Austrian Emperor from 1804 to 1835. He saw the fall of the HRE coming and as HRE he promoted himself to emperor of Austria. Two years later he was no longer HRE. He was called a "double emperor".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_II,_Holy_Roman_Emperor#cite_note-8

The point is that the dates of the rule should be corrected. Now according to Numista point of view, the Authorities issued coins after 1804 with titles and images of the person who stopped services in 1804.

This previous 20 Kreuzer coins said FRANC II D.G.R.I. (and other denominations spelled it out more) "Francis the Second by the grace of god the emperor of the Romans".
KM# 2139, 1792-1804: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces22610.html

This coin says FRANC.II.D.G.ROM. ET HAER.AVST.IMP., "Francis the Second by the grace of god the Roman and Austrian emperor". Krause says it is HRE coinage, Schön says Austrian emperor coinage, but the coin says both.
KM# 2140, 1804-1806: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7076.html

The next coinage says FRANCISCVS I·D·G· AVST·IMPERATOR "Francis the First by the grace of god the Austrian Emperor".
KM# 2141, 1806-1814: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces18835.html

I put a change request to add Francis I of Austria to the ruling authority to this coin (based on the coin text). If that gets approved I'll look at other types in that time period.

The dates for Francis I should be left starting at 1804 and the dates for Francis II should be changed to end at 1806.

Yes, now it looks much more attractive. Thank you. Actually one more question still left.

The article https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7076.html
bears HRE title FRANC.II.D.G.ROM. [...] and there are coins of 1806, at the same time the right side shows Francis II (1792-1804) thus we still have inconsistency.

Could it be a typo and instead of
Francis II (1792-1804)

there should be
Francis II (1792-1806)

?

No there is not a typo. Franz II ruled until 1804, when he became Franz I. Fact that Austria/(an mint) lived a dream a while longer or it was economically inefficient in war years does not change that fact.

Or did I i jut insulted his majesty Franz II?

Cita: "Jarcek"​No there is not a typo. Franz II ruled until 1804, when he became Franz I. Fact that Austria/(an mint) lived a dream a while longer or it was economically inefficient in war years does not change that fact.

​Do you have a reference that the rule of Franz II ended in 1804?

The history I was taught was that he appointed himself Emperor Franz I of Austria in 1804 but his reign as HRE Franz II didn't end until 1806.

I'm traveling so I can't cite references from my paper books, but here are some online references:

https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780761870777/Double-Emperor-The-Life-and-Times-of-Francis-of-Austria

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Francis-II-Holy-Roman-emperor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_II%2C_Holy_Roman_Emperor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Holy_Roman_Empire

One paper reference I can cite: SCWC, 1801-1900, 8th edition, page 76. (And previous editions.)

And then there's the coins themselves. Look at the legends of the coins for the types issued from 1804 to 1806. Here's the 1 Thaler: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces33724.html

The pictured coin is from 1806 and it the legend says is it issued by Franz II, Roman and Austrian Emperor. The earlier types say HRE Franz II, the later types say Franz I, but the1804 types say 1) he is still Franz II, and 2) he hold two emperor positions.

You say that the coin lettering is a "dream", but it could be argued that all positions of HRE were a dream. This particular dream was shared by everyone in Europe and beyond. The Wikipedia article on the Dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire shows a newspaper clipping from August 1806 describing the then-current event.

See the references in the Dissolution, there are multiple 1806 citations to published books.

I stand corrected and will leave my previous answer as my pillar of ignorance. Thank you.

While he became Franz I in 1804, it is natural that he did not want to give up the title until HRE was dissolved... will change it ASAP.

I just wonder why Alex the Great of Cyprus can't make change requests like everybody else, instead of arguing, accusing and being a full bore?

Thank you, now it is settled.