Moving some German states cities under polish states

Hi,

regarding this :https://en.numista.com/forum/topic138373.html

please move this issuers under poland  : 

Kolberg, City of

Pomerania, Duchy of - they were establish as polish vassal and even were independent - new country to be added :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Pomerania ;

Bishopric of Cammin - Kamień pomorski part of modern Poland founded by polish monarch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishopric_of_Cammin

i will add more examples soon.

Ps 

it will be good also to change german name to polish or at least  english.

Regards,

Damian

Agree for Cammin and Kolberg but disagree on the Duchy of Pomerania

Here from your Wikipedia link, where it is showing as a vasal state of Poland from 1121 to 1138 but being predominantly German (Shortly Danish) from 1138 to its end in 1637

The Duchy of Pomerania was established as a vassal state of Poland in 1121, which it remained until the fragmentation of Poland after the death of Polish ruler Bolesław III Wrymouth in 1138. Afterwards the Dukes of Pomerania were independent, and later were vassals of the Duchy of Saxony from 1164 to 1181, of the Holy Roman Empire from 1181 to 1185, of Denmark from 1185 to 1227 and finally, from 1227 on, staying with the Holy Roman Empire (including periods of vassalage to the Margraves of Brandenburg).

Thanks for pointing this out.

How to deal consistently with such places, while still serving well the collecting comminty/Numista members, is under discussion. 

apuking

Agree for Cammin and Kolberg but disagree on the Duchy of Pomerania

 

Here from your Wikipedia link, where it is showing as a vasal state of Poland from 1121 to 1138 but being predominantly German (Shortly Danish) from 1138 to its end in 1637

 

The Duchy of Pomerania was established as a vassal state of Poland in 1121, which it remained until the fragmentation of Poland after the death of Polish ruler Bolesław III Wrymouth in 1138. Afterwards the Dukes of Pomerania were independent, and later were vassals of the Duchy of Saxony from 1164 to 1181, of the Holy Roman Empire from 1181 to 1185, of Denmark from 1185 to 1227 and finally, from 1227 on, staying with the Holy Roman Empire (including periods of vassalage to the Margraves of Brandenburg).

So was, polish, german danish and later even swedish. New country then ?

PS

At  Cammin  the official language were german.

dont forget to move to polish states : 

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic115106.html Pommern-Pyritz

Pomerania-Rügenwalde, Duchy of  modern day Darłowo

https://onebid.pl/pl/monety-poland-pomerania-1-24-thaler-1620-the-duchy-of-rugia-boguslaw-xiv-1617-1625-poltorak-1620-darlowo-silver/965195

Duchy and the Prussian rule of Württemberg-Oels  - cant find proper source for this one but Oels is modern Oleśnica.

According to an agreement from 1491, the duchy was supposed to pass to future Polish King John I Albert, but eventually in 1495 it was sold to Duke Henry I of Münsterberg, son of the Bohemian (Czech) king George of Poděbrady.^[6] His grandson Duke John of Münsterberg-Oels established a gymnasium at Oleśnica in 1530. When the Czech Podiebrad family became extinct in 1647, town and duchy were inherited by the Swabian dukes of Württemberg, and in 1792 by the Welf dukes of Brunswick-Lüneburg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Oels

Prussia, the Kingdom of, is still a unique State in numista and strange enough, it has not been divided into Russia, Poland and Germany (overlay of old maps by present maps), so why treat Danzig etc. differently?

For now, things will be left as-is as we look at the broader question of these types of cases.  

Please leave the historical entities, f. ex. don't split Prussia and its towns into  “new” maps. Respect the history, please.

People down-voting moving German states cities under polish states, numista team move german cities unde polish states :)

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic138373.html#p1111086

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?e=drossen_city&r=&ct=coin&im1=&im2=&tb=y&tc=y&tn=y&tp=y&tt=y&cat=y&ru=&ca=3&no=&v=&i=&b=&d=&u=&a=&dg=&m=&f=&t=&w=&mt=&g=&se=&c=&wi=&sw=&ie=

apuking

Agree for Cammin and Kolberg but disagree on the Duchy of Pomerania

 

Here from your Wikipedia link, where it is showing as a vasal state of Poland from 1121 to 1138 but being predominantly German (Shortly Danish) from 1138 to its end in 1637

 

The Duchy of Pomerania was established as a vassal state of Poland in 1121, which it remained until the fragmentation of Poland after the death of Polish ruler Bolesław III Wrymouth in 1138. Afterwards the Dukes of Pomerania were independent, and later were vassals of the Duchy of Saxony from 1164 to 1181, of the Holy Roman Empire from 1181 to 1185, of Denmark from 1185 to 1227 and finally, from 1227 on, staying with the Holy Roman Empire (including periods of vassalage to the Margraves of Brandenburg).

In my opinion whole Pomerania should be moved to the main catalog as country.  Its  the same situation as Livonia, Bohemia, Silesia…

tdziemia

For now, things will be left as-is as we look at the broader question of these types of cases.  

Indeed, its why I close this topic until we reach a global consensus

Did you reach global consensus ?

And if you did, with whom?