Misclassification of the coin. [Risolto]

I found an error in the catalog. Well, it is about the Polish 5 penny coin issued between 1923 and 1939.
 

Both the 2 and 5 penny coin in 1923 were issued in brass, and from 1925 to 1939 they were issued in bronze.
 

There is an error in the catalog, as the catalog correctly classified the 2 penny coin, there are 2 separate coins - the first issued in 1923 in brass and the second issued from 1925 to 1939 in bronze.
 

However, in the case of the 5 penny coin, there is an error, as 2 separate coins have also been added - the first issued in 1923 from brass, however, in the case of the second coin, which should have been issued from 1925 to 1939 from bronze - it has been written that this coin was issued from bronze already in 1923 and has the same mintage as the 1923 brass coin. This is not true. Someone simply made a mistake. Please correct this error. Regards.

N#5632

So to summarize:

Yearline 1923 W  / mintage 32 000 000 from this coin N#5632 (wrong) should be merged with this one: N#4114 (correct) and all users to be moved from wrong to correct line.

What about 1923 Proof version with mintage 350 pieces? is it bronze? or should be moved also to brass?

SCWC lists the Proof as bronze and under Y# 10a.

Wasn't there a thread or two recently about some metal discrepancies and stuff listed in catalogs? I have only read them with little interest so things are a bit murky but they should be linked at the end of the catalog page if they mention this coin.

Yes but about the weight mainly although the OP claims to have 1923 in both compositions.  https://en.numista.com/forum/topic153006.html

Just so there is no doubt, I will summarize once again.
There are three versions of the 5 groszy coin.
1. made of Brass with the date 1923, in the quantity of 32 million pieces.
  In 1923, 350 bronze coins were also issued as probe, but it was decided to mint them from brass. They were not minted from bronze until 1925.
2. made of Bronze with the date 1925, 1928, 1930, 1931, 1934, 1935, 1936, 1937, 1938, 1939, in quantities of several million pieces each.
3. made of Zinc with the date 1939, a coin made by the German occupation authorities - General Government, the coin has the date 1939, but was minted in 1941-1944.
 

The problem is that the creator of the numismatic catalog, when he transcribed the data, he added to the second coin made of bronze that 32 million bronze coins were minted in 1923, the same number as brass. But this is untrue, because in 1923 all coins were minted from brass (not counting 350 proof coins). Therefore, the information about the minting of 32 million bronze coins in 1923 should be removed.

Cannot be simply removed, users needs to be manually copied to the right place first.

Yearline 1923 W  / mintage 32 000 000 from this coin N#5632 (wrong) should be merged with this one: N#4114 (correct).

@ArsenEverlast, can you please merge this?

MMowiec

Cannot be simply removed, users needs to be manually copied to the right place first.

 

Yearline 1923 W  / mintage 32 000 000 from this coin N#5632 (wrong) should be merged with this one: N#4114 (correct).

 

@ArsenEverlast, can you please merge this?

It's done, should we also move 1923 Proof mintage line from first page to second?

No, Proof was done in bronze (according Krauze, I'm not specialist), so that's seems to be correct. Thanks!

The name of this coin should still be changed so that it is not confusing. It should be the same as the 2 grosze coin. From 1923-1939 to 1925-1939
I just want to make this catalog clear and accurate, that is why I am contributing.

Michal07

The name of this coin should still be changed so that it is not confusing. It should be the same as the 2 grosze coin. From 1923-1939 to 1925-1939
I just want to make this catalog clear and accurate, that is why I am contributing.

No need to ask here. Just edit the page, change the title and submit for approval. Thanks for your contribution! Although I wonder if it should be changed. Now it is the same as on the coin itself.

If I could refer to something else. I would like to make one more amendment. Well, there were issued 2 versions of the 5 Zlotys (November Uprising) 1930 coin - minted with the shallow stamp and the deep stamp. Originally they wanted to mint this coin with the deep stamp, but after minting 200 pieces it was realized that minting the coin with the deep stamp causes various complications, so it was decided to mint it with the shallow stamp.
 

The same happened with the 5 Zlotys (March Constitution) 1925 coin - which was minted in about 1,000 pieces, as the coin was found to be too expensive. And Poland did not receive its 5 Zlotys coin until 1928 - the Nike.
 

Both coins were sold at the mint for collectors, but they were certainly not circulation coins, as there were very few of them and their price exceeded their value. So it was the equivalent of today's Polish silver 10 and 20 zloty collector coins.
 

The 1925 5 Zlotys (March Constitution) coin was aptly classified as “Non-circulating coins.” On the other hand, the 5 Zlotys (November Uprising) 1930 coin, of which there were 200 pieces and did not enter circulation - certainly cannot be categorized as “”Circulating Commemorative Coins. It should be included in the “Non-circulating coins” category, or possibly in the “Patterns” category.

rsirian1

Michal07

The name of this coin should still be changed so that it is not confusing. It should be the same as the 2 grosze coin. From 1923-1939 to 1925-1939
I just want to make this catalog clear and accurate, that is why I am contributing.

No need to ask here. Just edit the page, change the title and submit for approval. Thanks for your contribution! Although I wonder if it should be changed. Now it is the same as on the coin itself.

I've checked now, and there is no way to change the annotation with the date. This must be done by some admin.

Michal07

rsirian1

Michal07

The name of this coin should still be changed so that it is not confusing. It should be the same as the 2 grosze coin. From 1923-1939 to 1925-1939
I just want to make this catalog clear and accurate, that is why I am contributing.

No need to ask here. Just edit the page, change the title and submit for approval. Thanks for your contribution! Although I wonder if it should be changed. Now it is the same as on the coin itself.

I've checked now, and there is no way to change the annotation with the date. This must be done by some admin.

You were asking about changing the name of the coin.  

Edit: you meant the year range below the name.  1923-1939 is correct since the 1923 Proof is there.

Michal07

If I could refer to something else. I would like to make one more amendment. Well, there were issued 2 versions of the 5 Zlotys (November Uprising) 1930 coin - minted with the shallow stamp and the deep stamp. Originally they wanted to mint this coin with the deep stamp, but after minting 200 pieces it was realized that minting the coin with the deep stamp causes various complications, so it was decided to mint it with the shallow stamp.
 

The same happened with the 5 Zlotys (March Constitution) 1925 coin - which was minted in about 1,000 pieces, as the coin was found to be too expensive. And Poland did not receive its 5 Zlotys coin until 1928 - the Nike.
 

Both coins were sold at the mint for collectors, but they were certainly not circulation coins, as there were very few of them and their price exceeded their value. So it was the equivalent of today's Polish silver 10 and 20 zloty collector coins.
 

The 1925 5 Zlotys (March Constitution) coin was aptly classified as “Non-circulating coins.” On the other hand, the 5 Zlotys (November Uprising) 1930 coin, of which there were 200 pieces and did not enter circulation - certainly cannot be categorized as “”Circulating Commemorative Coins. It should be included in the “Non-circulating coins” category, or possibly in the “Patterns” category.

What do you think @MMowiec ?

Hi, to be honest,  I don't know. I'm not a specialist in Polish coins, collecting only commemorative 2 & 5 zloty from recent years…

MMowiec

Hi, to be honest,  I don't know. I'm not a specialist in Polish coins, collecting only commemorative 2 & 5 zloty from recent years…

 

So, who should I ask? Or should I change it myself?

Please check tomorrow the date ranges should be fixed

@Compendium Dates were correct, 1923 proof coins are from bronze and should stay where there were. I guessed this was clear in discussion above. Now line for proof is moved to wrong page.

The next questions that I have no idea to answer refers to other coins. Maybe better to created new topić for that.

Ok, reverted

Yes, new thread please if needed