I make this argument as the Northern Mariana Islands is a US territory and is under US jurisdiction so if they were to mint their own coins then it would have to have been approved by congress. I don't see anything about the Northern Mariana Islands having their own coins it I think they should be moved to tokens.
Their removal is enacted for now. You can remove the voting option and consider this topic as solved.
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The same US coinage law that makes the issues of the Northern Mariana Islands tokens, apply to the issues of American Samoa. Im not sure what research is needed.
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Km or not it doesn't have real currency made for circulation. The above points are correct. It does seem odd I grant you that... Maybe it could be a US sub category... Not sure there on proper organization
So if Northern Mariana Islands are removed from the coins list, shouldn't it be lit up on the map for people with US coins, similar to other nations on the map?
Yes, but if we would delete A. Samoa with this logic, we would have to move BES islands, Antarctic teritorries, Anguila and so on... it is complicated, Northern Mariana were easy.
Nice articles. But the fact remains that legal tender coinage remains the priveledge of the United States government. Laws for which are passed by the Congress. Legal tender issues are also struck by the US Mint. These American Samoan issues were not struck by legal authority. The government of this territory had no legal authority. Fantasy issue at best. My guess is they were assigned KM numbers and then in the following uproar were removed to the Krause fantasy catalog where they should have been placed from the start. A wiki article and a coin catalogue, czech or otherwise doesnt really have the authority of overriding US federal law.
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I look at A. Samoa as tokens like those issued by cities during festivals ("Local Dollar Tokens"), which had legal tender status for a brief period of time. They are more like tokens than coins IMO.
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They're considered as NCLTs by Krause, with still a KM# in 2016 unlike NMI, so they're similar with following Andorran commemorative currency in the following pages.
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Cita: "Jarcek"Yes, but if we would delete A. Samoa with this logic, we would have to move BES islands, Antarctic teritorries, Anguila and so on... it is complicated, Northern Mariana were easy.
PS: Map can only be remade by Xavier himself.
As far as I know coins of the British Antarctic Territories are being minted with authorization from the British government and have a legal tender status.
Cita: "Jarcek"Yes they are, but are they made for circulation - of course not, and that was the point I was reacting about.
Well, that wasn't clear to me, as the coins of the other countries that you mentioned aren't legal tender. The circulating, non-circulating discussion is something else and has nothing to do with this topic, I guess.
Point was - if we should remove American Samoa just because they have no coins for circulation - that is why I reacted by mentioning other states that do not have any coins for circulation, and yet are in country list.
Perhaps we can move any countries that have no circulation coins to the Exonumia section as part of the fantasies section or separately as a "NCLT country" or something similar. There are a few of them, Palau, Nauru, Niue, the various Antarctic territories, etc
Any chance of designating the Non-Circulating Legal Tender (only) countries on the Countries List with an asterisk and an explanation at the bottom of the page. Or designate them with (NCLT) beside the country name.
As far as I know American Samoa (not to be confused with Samoa) is an American Territory (it is not an US State).
Legal tender there should be only the same thing as in the mainland of the USA, which is US Dollar.
Cita: "SRV5490"Any chance of designating the Non-Circulating Legal Tender (only) countries on the Countries List with an asterisk and an explanation at the bottom of the page. Or designate them with (NCLT) beside the country name.
Ideally I would think the country list should be generated with a query to the users preferences just like the search does. For example, if the user doesn't have tokens or NCLT checked, then countries that only circulating coins entries would populate. We already have most of that data generated for the coins anyway, and allowing the user to filter what data displays would go a long way to making different users happy.
Cita: "SRV5490"Any chance of designating the Non-Circulating Legal Tender (only) countries on the Countries List with an asterisk and an explanation at the bottom of the page. Or designate them with (NCLT) beside the country name.
Ideally I would think the country list should be generated with a query to the users preferences just like the search does. For example, if the user doesn't have tokens or NCLT checked, then countries that only circulating coins entries would populate. We already have most of that data generated for the coins anyway, and allowing the user to filter what data displays would go a long way to making different users happy.
Thats my man! I would love see the country list customizable for everyone. Hutt river lovers would leave it there and I, collecting only Europe, would leave Europe there only. That we we qould have Preffered list a "Others" list and anybody could choose what should show where..
Legal tender is not the condition. Andorran Diners and Sanmarinese Scudi are official coins but with no legal tender as the only legal tender there is the Euro (and were the former national currencies as well).
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Those tokens of American Samoa are not even Nclt. It is an issue struck outside of the law. The law that covers coinage for the US and its territories is very specific. Only congress has this power of authorization. They did not. Only the USMint strikes coins for US and its territories. It did not.
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Interesting fact, when the Philippines were a US possession, the coinage was struck at the Manila Mint, which had the status of a branch mint of the US mint. This was to satisfy the law that required coins of the US and its possessions to be struck by the USMint.
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Yes. The issuing was outside of the law and was very controversial. I dont know if he was removed over it or not. But it was all over the numismatic press of the time.
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Cita: "chomp-master"Legal tender is not the condition. Andorran Diners and Sanmarinese Scudi are official coins but with no legal tender as the only legal tender there is the Euro (and were the former national currencies as well).
Were the coins of San Marino from 1864-1938 legal tender circulating coins.
Cita: "chomp-master"Legal tender is not the condition. Andorran Diners and Sanmarinese Scudi are official coins but with no legal tender as the only legal tender there is the Euro (and were the former national currencies as well).
Were the coins of San Marino from 1864-1938 legal tender circulating coins.
They were Sanmarinese centesimi of Lira, so yes they're legal tender. I just spotted examples of countries emitting NLT currencies as well as LT ones.
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Cita: "Oklahoman"Yes. The issuing was outside of the law and was very controversial. I dont know if he was removed over it or not. But it was all over the numismatic press of the time.
He wasn't removed. He was even voted Governor again a second time after returning to the senate, so it really doesn't seem like it was that large of a faux pas.
I just got off the phone with the Honorable member of the House of Representative at large for the Territory of American Samoa, Amata Radewagon's office. I am pleased and disappointed to say i was right and wrong. American Samoa's right to authorise and issue coins was rescindedpost issue of the 1988 coins. The 1988 issues are legal tender. Later ones are not legal tender for all the lawsreviously argued. One reason these laws were codified wasnbecauseof this coinissue of 1988.
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Cita: "Oklahoman"I just got off the phone with the Honorable member of the House of Representative at large for the Territory of American Samoa, Amata Radewagon's office. I am pleased and disappointed to say i was right and wrong. American Samoa's right to authorise and issue coins was rescindedpost issue of the 1988 coins. The 1988 issues are legal tender. Later ones are not legal tender for all the lawsreviously argued. One reason these laws were codified wasnbecauseof this coinissue of 1988.
Oklahoman, so that would mean American Samoa was in but the Northern Mariana Islands are out as they are not legal tender? I know you were asking about American Samoa, but that would seem to be the clear implication of your conversation as the Northern Mariana Islands are part of the United States and would fall under the same laws, and the NMI coins were issued long after 1988.
Just put the NMI quarter here and it's all good! Legal tender and specially made for the Marianas!
(This can also be done for the American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the American VI )
Wrong ngdawa. Those are United States of America quarters. They commemorate. But they circulate in all states. I dont have you figured out. You seem reasonable sometimes...and then you go all weird.
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That's a good bit of research my friends and very informative. Well done on reaching a sensible resolution and for sharing a bit of new information, at least for me.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
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