About catalogs and variants.

We have authorization to use Bank Note Museum images for our banknote catalog.

We have a very long list of catalogues used as reference.

On the other side; I see the mainly used catalog is Pick (Krause), on their 3 versions (old, newer and specialized), and is logical, as seems to be the most popular world catalog.

But, logically, such a wide range covered makes hard to pay attention to the small details. Therefore while they give loads of data about some countries (signature images, variants, dates, etc.) on others just a few generic classification for banknotes with many different issues. Some web sites tend to use their classification, and add digits/letters to expand the range (like adding ".1", ".2" on Colnect or "(a)", "(b)" on Bank Note Museum.

On my opinion, Bank Note Museum have expanded the classification of Pick, added many images, and details about signatures combinations, and other variants, in spite sometimes they don't have other important data involved.

My question is if we could use Bank Note Museum (http://www.banknote.ws/) as another reference catalog (mostly as an expansion of Pick), and in such case, add it to catalogues list (I searched it there and was not able to find it.), or please show me where to find it.

First of all I must say I really like Banknote Museum so don't get me wrong.
But they use the same catalog numbers as Pick, why do we need 2 catalogs with the same numbers? The differences appears in banknotes signatures, where a, b, c, d etc. is added. It is the same way colnect does it, made up numbers but saying they are P#.

Cita: "allexis"​First of all I must say I really like Banknote Museum so don't get me wrong.
​But they use the same catalog numbers as Pick, why do we need 2 catalogs with the same numbers? The differences appears in banknotes signatures, where a, b, c, d etc. is added. It is the same way colnect does it, made up numbers but saying they are P#.

​Point is if we say Bolivian Banknote is P# 128a.1 or P# 128b(2), if you go to Pick (Krause) catalog you will be confused. Pick gives a number, and we should not (neither others should) alter it, even if it is for good reasons.

Now about the added numbers/letters, we can figure them but not sure how who add them decide which goes there, maybe someone add them ordered by date, other may choose to order alphabetically by last name, or for first name.... maybe bold serial numbers vs thin numbers, different printers... anything.

I'm suggesting Bank Note Museum cause they basically use Pick numbers, and it would make it more comfortable for Pick users, but also cause is accessible for everyone, for free, and updated at any moment. You don't need to buy paper or digital version, and then pay for new versions/updates.

Hello,

We should not change the Pick reference by adding letters to distinguish between signatures. Some countries also have numbers for signatures in Pick. So you can have something like "P#48c.41" for Switzerland for example, where 41 corresponds to the Pick signatures. As you said, changing the reference is confusing, so we shouldn't.

I see no problem with the way Bolivian notes are currently recorded on Numista, with one Pick number corresponding to several date lines.

We should also not add private websites as references. Best reference catalogues come from peer-reviewed publications or reputable publishing houses. Self-published works in print are to some extent okay as well. But something like the Bank Note Museum website can simply vanish tomorrow, if the owner decides to close it down, so we cannot use this as a persistent reference.

Regards
strato

Good point, but I don't mean to change from Pick to other; I think Pick should keep as 1st. reference, and Bank Note Museum be a complement.

Adding other reference source would not harm, just clarify things. If a site closes out, still will be the codes on Numista. I tend to add all the details to Numista, whenever possible.

If a web site closes, would be something similar to when a paper book goes out of stock, or is not available at certain place, or even when is written in a language we don't read. You can't have it from the source, but data would be still added to Numista, and available for everyone.

Daniel,
Don't forget to add in T.B.B. catalogue numbers as well as Pick numbers.

http://www.banknotenews.com has how to subscribe to the different chapters of The Banknote Book - which contains a lot of information missing from the Pick number system, including signature charts.

Aidan.

Hello People:

 

I would like to reactive this thread, from 2 ½ years ago.

 

Reason is Pick (Krause) catalog is not being updated, no new editions, nor update on Numismaster site.

 

Now I noticed on Bank Note Museum, they keep the Pick numbers, and for new issues, not listed on Pick/Krause they add “W” before number, but I have seen there are some (or many) notes showing the numbers given by BNM as they were the nonexistent Pick numbers.

 

Therefore, based on statement “…We should also not add private websites as references. Best reference catalogues come from peer-reviewed publications or reputable publishing houses…” I think we should review if we may use this site as a reference# or we need to delete the nonexistent P#s that were added using the BNM classification. Or as other option to add the “W” where needed.