United Kingdom 3 pence 1920

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Hi All.

How do you distinguish between 3 pence 1920 km#813 and 3 pence 1920 km#813a? The only difference I can tell is a higher silver content in km#813.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces21182.html

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces2788.html

Many thanks.
From Declan's web site: http://declanmageecoins.co.uk/G53.html#1920

1920
Ag 92.5%, Cu 7.5% OR
Ag 50%, Cu 40%, Ni 10% OR
Ag 50%, Cu 45%, Mn 5%

The composition of all the silver coins was debased in 1920 from 92.5% sterling silver to 50% silver. Initially the alloy used was Ag 50%, Cu 40%, Ni 10%, but this was not found to be satisfactory, and consequently some coins from 1920 have manganese in their alloy. Ag 50%, Cu 50% was tried briefly and found to be even worse, and finally Ag 50%, Cu 40%, Ni 5%, Zn 5% was settled on. This alloy saw the coinage through to the final removal of silver in 1946.

Both sterling and 50% silver threepences have been found dated 1920, and those with better trained ears than I can tell from the ring which is which. I can't, and I was never that comfortable with dropping coins on a hard surface in order to listen to the ring, so this a variety that I never attempted to include.


He's a great specialist in UK coins, and he could NOT see any differences! So I think we'll have to live with that?
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Cita: "Sjoelund"​From Declan's web site: http://declanmageecoins.co.uk/G53.html#1920

1920
​Ag 92.5%, Cu 7.5% OR
​Ag 50%, Cu 40%, Ni 10% OR
​Ag 50%, Cu 45%, Mn 5%

​The composition of all the silver coins was debased in 1920 from 92.5% sterling silver to 50% silver. Initially the alloy used was Ag 50%, Cu 40%, Ni 10%, but this was not found to be satisfactory, and consequently some coins from 1920 have manganese in their alloy. Ag 50%, Cu 50% was tried briefly and found to be even worse, and finally Ag 50%, Cu 40%, Ni 5%, Zn 5% was settled on. This alloy saw the coinage through to the final removal of silver in 1946.

​Both sterling and 50% silver threepences have been found dated 1920, and those with better trained ears than I can tell from the ring which is which. I can't, and I was never that comfortable with dropping coins on a hard surface in order to listen to the ring, so this a variety that I never attempted to include.


​He's a great specialist in UK coins, and he could NOT see any differences! So I think we'll have to live with that?

​You would still need one of each coin to try and distinguish between the two by dropping them on the floor. Many thanks for that.
👍 yes, as always.
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
I have a 1920 threepence. Nightmare that I can’t add it to my collection because I don’t know the purity...
Argomento spostato in Numismatic questions (ZacUK, 26 Set 2020, 18:56)
I've just swapped mine and receive different year from another swap which I could attribute without doubts))
My personal list of scammers from Numista: erniemix, yvain, CassTaylor
A simple XRF-test will tell immediately and exactly which is which.
...you can run,  but you can't hide...
Cita: "yvon"​A simple XRF-test will tell immediately and exactly which is which.
Sadly I don’t have such a machine and I probably won’t be getting one anytime soon... admittedly I’m seriously lacking in the coin-related equipment department. I have less than 10 flips for my entire collection and I don’t have any g​loves, a caliper, a microscope or even a scale.
Cita: "GoldenGarfield"
Cita: "yvon"​A simple XRF-test will tell immediately and exactly which is which.
​Sadly I don’t have such a machine and I probably won’t be getting one anytime soon... admittedly I’m seriously lacking in the coin-related equipment department. I have less than 10 flips for my entire collection and I don’t have any g​loves, a caliper, a microscope or even a scale.
​What an unbelieveable silly answer...
...you can run,  but you can't hide...
Yeah, nothing to be proud about:P
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Cita: "Sjoelund"​Yeah, nothing to be proud about:P
​Indeed, posting just for the sake of posting....
...you can run,  but you can't hide...
Cita: "yvon"
Cita: "Sjoelund"​Yeah, nothing to be proud about:P
​​Indeed, posting just for the sake of posting....
​I’ll admit it. Guilty as charged.
Perhaps it is possible to carefully measure a difference in density?
Examples can be found in the documentation of numista. Often works for me, using a sensitive balance, 3 digit behind the komma (very cheap on internet).

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