Japanese Puppet Issues in China [Risolto]

We currently have the following Japanese puppet entities for China:
Amoy Island
China, Provisional Government of the Republic of
China, Reformed Government of the Republic of
East Hebei
Manchoukuo
Meng Chiang
However, this ignores the fact that the Provisional and Reformed Governments, Meng Chiang and East Hebei were all merged in 1940 to create what is sometimes called the Reorganized National Government but had the official title of simply "Republic of China", with its capital in Nanjing. It seems that the problem stems from Krause Mischler listing the coins of the Federal Reserve Bank under the Provisional Government, despite them being issued between 1941 and 1943. On its own, this wouldn't be a problem but now we have to assign the banknotes to the right entities. There are three banks to consider (see here):
Central Reserve Bank
Federal Reserve Bank
Hua Hsing Commercial Bank
plus the issues of the Japanese military. The Hua Hsing Commercial Bank issued notes dated 1938 and coins dated 1940 and was based in Shanghai, so that fits with the Reformed Government. The other three need careful consideration. Currently, all three are to be found under both the Provisional and Reformed Governments and I can discern no pattern to their attribution. The Central Reserve Bank started issuing notes in 1940, so these could all be assigned to the (yet to be created) Reorganized National Government. The pre-1940 notes of the Federal Reserve Bank can go in the Provisional Government (the bank was based in its capital, Beijing) and the post-1940 issues (coins and notes) in the Reorganized National Government. However, the military issues are a problem as they have no obvious link to any of the individual puppet regimes. Any thoughts?

I agree this section is a bit of a mess. I have many notes from this era that I am currently trying to add to Numista, and each time I enter one, I don’t know if I’m assigning the correct labels. I can’t even read any of the text outside of the numbers.

I certainly do not have the historical knowledge required to resolve this. We need someone with the appropriate experience in this area to help, but I do not know who to approach that can help us.

It sounds like you may have a decent grasp on the correct organization? Maybe a message to a referee could help, or perhaps one of the users other than myself that is adding these notes. I’m sorry I cannot constructively contribute any further, these are very interesting notes that deserve proper attention.

Thanks for taking a moment to look at this. I do understand the general chronology of the puppet states and have messaged the referee about this thread. If there's general agreement, I think assigning the issues of the various banks is relativeley straight forward, as long as we create a new section for the Reorganized National Government. The problem is the military issues, as I don't think they can reasonably be considered to have been the issue of any of the puppet regimes.
In my own collection, I have a single section for all the issues of the Japanese and their puppets in China, excluding those where a specific region was named (Manchukuo, East Hebei, etc.). This ignores the distinction between the geographically distinct Provisional, Reformed and Reorganized National Governments but does provide a place where the military issues can be included. I hesitated to suggest this initially as I dislike removing correct detail from Numista but it does solve the problem.
An alternative is to create a separate section just for the military issues but I dislike this as well since we don't do that for the other issues of the Japanese military (e.g., Malaya, Philippines, etc.). Hence the quandry.

I think I covered it in this thread, but hope I didn't messed (adding Wang Jingwei regime as a ruling authority)
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic132348.html

 

Let me know there if any change is needed :-)

Can we remove the first ‘o’ of Manchuria? Years ago I had a reason to choose the older variant of writing but I forgot it and most sources write it with -ukuo at the end not -oukuo.

Idolenz

Can we remove the first ‘o’ of Manchuria? Years ago I had a reason to choose the older variant of writing but I forgot it and most sources write it with -ukuo at the end not -oukuo.

Done

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I think I covered it in this thread, but hope I didn't messed (adding Wang Jingwei regime as a ruling authority)
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic132348.html

 

Let me know there if any change is needed :-)

Which issues belong under this new ruling authority? (So I can change them all at once.)

Just added one per issuer to it: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/ruler.php?id=9471

Pardon my lack of understanding.  I'm still not smart enough to determine which other notes fall into this category.

 

Is it only the 51 here: Reformed Government of the Republic of China

and the 6 here: Meng Chiang ?

 

Or are there more notes in JPS that need the Wang Jingwei regime ruling authority?  There are approximately 38 additional notes in China, Japanese puppet states in

I don't know, please ask in the other thread where participants may help :-)

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic132348.html