Dates for George V in Ireland [Risolto]

As the Irish Free State only came into being in December 1922, could we please modify the dates of George V for Ireland from "1910-1921" to "1910-1922"? This affects notes such as this, issued in 1922 before the Irish Free State was established.
http://www.archontology.org/nations/eire/01_polity.php
https://www.irishpapermoney.com/old-irish-bank-notes/bank-of-ireland-old/bank-of-ireland-1922-Series-H-dates/bank-of-ireland-1922-1928-banknotes-dates-of-issue.html

There should be 2 listings for King George V's reign in Ireland;

King George V - 1910 - 22 - Ireland as a constituent country of the U.K.

King George V - 1922 - 36 - as King of Ireland - Irish Free State.

Aidan.

Cita: "BCNumismatics"​There should be 2 listings for King George V's reign in Ireland;
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​King George V - 1910 - 22 - Ireland as a constituent country of the U.K.
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​King George V - 1922 - 36 - as King of Ireland - Irish Free State.
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​Aidan.

​I'm not at all convinced this is necessary. Please just change the dates to 1910-1922.

Cita: "ceh2019"​

Cita: "BCNumismatics"​There should be 2 listings for King George V's reign in Ireland;
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​​King George V - 1910 - 22 - Ireland as a constituent country of the U.K.
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​​King George V - 1922 - 36 - as King of Ireland - Irish Free State.
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​​Aidan.

​​I'm not at all convinced this is necessary. Please just change the dates to 1910-1922.

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It is necessary, given the fact that King George V reigned over Ireland from 1910 to 1936.

Aidan.

This is now fixed.

King George V still reigned in Ireland from 1922 to 1936 as King of Ireland - given the fact the Irish Free State still had him as head of state.

Aidan.

For the purposes of the joint stock banknote issues, the dates should be modified to 1910-1928.
After 1928 the joint stock banks issued Consolidated Banknotes under Currency Commission control in the Irish Free State, and Northern Ireland Issue in Northern Ireland. Both issues commenced with notes dated 6.5.29.

Bank of Ireland and Ulster Bank both issued notes dated in 1928, the last issues of the other banks went up to 1927.
https://www.irishpapermoney.com/old-irish-bank-notes/bank-of-ireland-old/bank-of-ireland-1922-to-1928-banknotes-Series-H.html
https://www.irishpapermoney.com/old-irish-bank-notes/ulster-bank-all-ireland-issue-1836-1928.html

Irish banknote issues in this era are complicated, with several short-lived issues and types. However, there is clear dividing line between the banks' own Irish Free State Issues and their later issues.

Pre-1929 notes were taxed by both the Irish government and the British. From 1929 onwards, the Northern Ireland notes were taxed by the British, and the Consolidated notes were taxed by the Irish. This is another reason to have a logical split at 1928 for these notes.

I don't agree, as King George V was still Ireland's King until his death in 1936.

Have a read here;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_head_of_state_from_1922_to_1949 .

Between 1936 & 1949, both King Edward VIII & King George VI were also Kings of Ireland as well.

Aidan.

Cita: "Hibernia"​For the purposes of the joint stock banknote issues, the dates should be modified to 1910-1928.
​After 1928 the joint stock banks issued Consolidated Banknotes under Currency Commission control in the Irish Free State, and Northern Ireland Issue in Northern Ireland. Both issues commenced with notes dated 6.5.29.
​
​Bank of Ireland and Ulster Bank both issued notes dated in 1928, the last issues of the other banks went up to 1927.
​https://www.irishpapermoney.com/old-irish-bank-notes/bank-of-ireland-old/bank-of-ireland-1922-to-1928-banknotes-Series-H.html
​https://www.irishpapermoney.com/old-irish-bank-notes/ulster-bank-all-ireland-issue-1836-1928.html
​
​Irish banknote issues in this era are complicated, with several short-lived issues and types. However, there is clear dividing line between the banks' own Irish Free State Issues and their later issues.
​
​Pre-1929 notes were taxed by both the Irish government and the British. From 1929 onwards, the Northern Ireland notes were taxed by the British, and the Consolidated notes were taxed by the Irish. This is another reason to have a logical split at 1928 for these notes.

​We already split the notes at the point when specific Northern Irish versions appeared. This was in 1922 for the Belfast Banking Company and Northern Bank, and in 1929 for the other banks. The ruling authority we display for the 1922-1928 notes issued for all of Ireland is that for the Free State. It isn't perfect but to extend George V's dates in the south to 1928 wouldn't make sense either.

King George V's reign in the southern part of the isle of Ireland continued until his death in 1936.

Ireland was a Dominion of the British Commonwealth right through to 1949.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_head_of_state_from_1922_to_1949 has more information about this.

Aidan.

Cita: "ceh2019"​​​We already split the notes at the point when specific Northern Irish versions appeared. This was in 1922 for the Belfast Banking Company and Northern Bank, and in 1929 for the other banks. The ruling authority we display for the 1922-1928 notes issued for all of Ireland is that for the Free State. It isn't perfect but to extend George V's dates in the south to 1928 wouldn't make sense either.

​This was in 1922 for the Belfast Banking Company and Northern Bank, and in 1929 for the other banks.

You are correct in choosing 1922 as the split point for the Belfast Banking Company, as the Belfast Banking Company withdrew from operating in the Irish Free State promptly after partition. This resulted in 100% of its note issue being apportioned to to Northern Ireland in 1929.

However, you are mistaken in saying that the Northern Bank issues from 1922 should be apportioned to Northern Ireland - the reference you used for this is not correct.
Northern Bank currency note issues were split in 1929 along with those of the other associated banks.
SCWPM (16th Ed, p738) is correct on this in the Ireland section.
SCWPM (16th Ed, p927)is also correct in its Northern Ireland section, starting Northern Bank Northern Ireland in 1929.

Northern Bank continued to operate throughout Ireland post-partition, and its note issues were split between the Irish Free State and Northern Ireland in 1929, with 72% of its circulating notes being apportioned to Northern Ireland (as its Northern Ireland issue), and 28% to the Irish Free State (these were allocated to its Consolidated Bank Note Issue).

72% figure for Northern Bank is taken from: Moynihan, M. 'Currency and Central Banking in Ireland 1922–60', Gill & MacMillan in association with the Central Bank of Ireland., 1975. Page 160., as cited on 'The Partition of Irish Currency' https://www.irishpapermoney.com/special-sections/Partition-of-Irish-Currency-1928-1930.html
(Moynihan was Governor of The Central Bank of Ireland, 1961-1968).

See these also:
Northern Bank 1929 overprints on earlier notes for use in Northern Ireland can were created to use up unissued note stock. These notes were issued in 1929 and form part of the Northern Ireland issue.
Northern Bank General Issue 1921-1927 £1 notes were not overprinted. Some £5 notes dated 1927 were issued as part of the all-Ireland issue, and some with 1929 overprints as part of the Northern Ireland Issue in 1929.

Apologies, you're quite right about Northern Bank and we do indeed split these issues at 1929.

@ceh2019
No worries. We aim for peer-reviewed accuracy in our work.

Cita: "Hibernia"​@ceh2019
​No worries. We aim for peer-reviewed accuracy in our work.

​We do indeed. Please continue as I'm sure there are other errors in the Irish notes that I've not yet spotted.

Cita: "ceh2019"​

Cita: "BCNumismatics"​There should be 2 listings for King George V's reign in Ireland;
​​
​​King George V - 1910 - 22 - Ireland as a constituent country of the U.K.
​​
​​King George V - 1922 - 36 - as King of Ireland - Irish Free State.
​​
​​Aidan.

​​I'm not at all convinced this is necessary. Please just change the dates to 1910-1922.

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Of course, it is necessary, as Ireland was a Dominion in the British Commonwealth from 1922 - until 1949, when the Republic of Ireland was declared.

Aidan.