Is this the over date variety or what I believe is a cud (my best photos, sorry)?
Also, I thought when I purchased it ($4 cdn) it would grade as an F. But, after my research, I'm beginning to think an EF. Maybe the weakest strike for a circulating coin in the 20th century based on the TPG's.
Your thoughts are most welcome.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure, that just ain't so. Mark Twain
I blew it up and keep studying it and it looks more and more as extra metal and therefore a cud. Confusing and unfortunate placement of the cud but I see what looks to me to be a normal 3 of the Persian numeral underneath.
Edit. Sorry, Im seeing far too much wear for XF. The wear in the leaves around the lion on the reverse for instance. VF20.
Cita: "tdziemia"I think he was making the point that the OP's final digit is exactly what is shown in the chart for the Malay-Persian 4?
At least this is how I understood it.
I would take the OP's coin to be dated 1324 with no cud or error in the date, same as Asimov. And same as mine:
Possibly but that doesn't explain how 2 coins with supposedly the same date, 1324 , can look so different.
So, considering the date, we have three examples: the OP's, yours, and mine.
On two of those the date looks the same. Not sure where the discussion goes from here. I don't claim to be an expert on Iranian coinage, but my eyes tell me that we have these two options:
- all three are 1324 with some differences in how the last digit has been cut
- two are 1324, and one is not
Cita: "tdziemia"So, considering the date, we have three examples: the OP's, yours, and mine.
On two of those the date looks the same. Not sure where the discussion goes from here. I don't claim to be an expert on Iranian coinage, but my eyes tell me that we have these two options:
- all three are 1324 with some differences in how the last digit has been cut
- two are 1324, and one is not
We could wait to see if anybody else has examples of 1323 and 1324 that they could provide photos of. Anybody?
I am noticing Numista and NGC are using the same photo as well. Here is another very brief discussion on the same subject that never really got resolved . I am going to work on this and try to come up with an answer.
The date in the linked thread is also a 1324, and it's somewhat surprising this was never pointed out to that poster, with all the accumulated knowledge over there .
In my opinion this is just an issue of collectors who are familiar with Turkish-Arabic numerals (but not Malay-Persian) thinking it is a corrupted 3, when it is actually a 4.
While I agree with your premise, I don't like using other coin types as an example of what is going on with this particular coin type and the possible dates / overdate / varieties/ and errors. I am still looking for good photos of these particular dates 43 / 44 / 45 to present better arguments to sort out what is going on. I have found a few but they are of poor quality and I hesitate to use them for comparison. There are not many quality photos of these dates for comparison and I have been sidetracked several times to really concentrate on it, but I am still working on it. Perhaps you can try to find better photos of the same coins for comparison.
I see. Starting to get a little clearer now and I agree that the OP's coin is indeed a 1324 . I am starting to wonder if there are other overdate or date varieties that should be added to the database based on the cointalk link I posted as well as the photos provided by NGC and Numista. Meantime the OP has not chimed in once.
I believed from the beginning that it was not an overdate and I feel this discussion has helped confirmed that. Thanks for everyone's input. I'll mark as Solved.
But, still can't see an overdate variety(?).
Thanks again.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure, that just ain't so. Mark Twain
Stato cambiato a Risolto(Peter M. Graham, 6 Ago 2021, 22:37)
