Northern Irish Ruling Authorities

Now that the post-1707 monarchs have been added to Scotland (thank you), could we please add the post-1922 monarchs to Northern Ireland?

Too right!

The same also applies to both England & Wales as well as Northern Ireland.

Aidan.

Hello

This is already requested here:
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic107742.html

I am also not sure they should be added, as they don't appear individually on the banknotes.

Northern Ireland is a constituent country of the U.K., so I think including the monarchs as ruling authorities are necessary.

Aidan.

What has their appearance or absence on the banknotes got to do with anything? French coins and notes don't distinguish between any of the different republics and yet all five are assigned as ruling authorities.

The catalog is not consistent at the moment. Individuals should be in the database only if they appear on coins or banknotes during their time in office, be they monarchs, presidents, prime ministers, or something else. Otherwise, we list periods. For France, we also don't list individual presidents.

For Northern Ireland in particular, this is quite problematic because Elizabeth II is not the queen of Northern Ireland. She is the queen of the United Kingdom. And some will get offended if you claim otherwise.

Cita: "stratocaster"​The catalog is not consistent at the moment. Individuals should be in the database only if they appear on coins or banknotes during their time in office, be they monarchs, presidents, prime ministers, or something else. Otherwise, we list periods. For France, we also don't list individual presidents.
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​For Northern Ireland in particular, this is quite problematic because Elizabeth II is not the queen of Northern Ireland. She is the queen of the United Kingdom. And some will get offended if you claim otherwise.

​It's clear for monarchies that "period" means "reign", so the monarchs should appear for all parts of the UK. We have the recent monarchs for Scotland (as I pointed out at the begining of this discussion) and England, so there's no reason not to treat Northern Ireland in the same way. As to somone being offended, there is no difference between "Queen of the United Kingdom" and "Queen of the country which includes Northern Ireland".

Cita: "stratocaster"​The catalog is not consistent at the moment. Individuals should be in the database only if they appear on coins or banknotes during their time in office, be they monarchs, presidents, prime ministers, or something else. Otherwise, we list periods. For France, we also don't list individual presidents.
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​For Northern Ireland in particular, this is quite problematic because Elizabeth II is not the queen of Northern Ireland. She is the queen of the United Kingdom. And some will get offended if you claim otherwise.

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The U.K. has as its full name United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland , which means that Queen Elizabeth II is head of state for all 4 constituent countries.

Northern Ireland is internationally recognised as part of the U.K. - including by the Republic of Ireland, whose constitution was amended in 1998 to delete reference to an irredentist claim to Northern Ireland, something that was offensive to the majority of people in Northern Ireland.

Aidan.

If monarchs are used in part of the listings, it is logical to use them throughout.

Queen Elizabeth is queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
From our point of view, that of Numismatics, this is what is relevant.

Regarding appearances on banknotes, the last British monarch to appear on an Irish banknote was queen Victoria on Provincial Bank of Ireland notes. From 1900 onwards no living monarch or head of state has appeared on any Irish banknote.

I agree that the question of appearance on a banknote is not relevant here.

Cita: "Hibernia"​If monarchs are used in part of the listings, it is logical to use them throughout.
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​Queen Elizabeth is queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
​From our point of view, that of Numismatics, this is what is relevant.
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​Regarding appearances on banknotes, the last British monarch to appear on an Irish banknote was queen Victoria on Provincial Bank of Ireland notes. From 1900 onwards no living monarch or head of state has appeared on any Irish banknote.
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​I agree that the question of appearance on a banknote is not relevant here.
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​Northern Ireland has been a constituent country of the U.K. since 1922, therefore, King George V's reign for Northern Ireland should be 1922-36.

Aidan.

I was not making any point regarding King George V in my post.
Apologies if I was not clear in that.
I was making the point that Queen Elizabeth is queen of Northern Ireland as Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Cita: "Hibernia"​I was not making any point regarding King George V in my post.
​Apologies if I was not clear in that.
​I was making the point that Queen Elizabeth is queen of Northern Ireland as Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

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O.K.

Although I am in New Zealand, I do collect banknotes from both countries on the isle of Ireland as part of my collection of banknotes of the British Empire & the British Commonwealth.

Aidan.