In that first link
· Coins with no pictures
2 members have the first coin
3 members have the second coin
7 members have the third coin
and so on. Why have they not added their own pictures I wonder?
Cita: "ZacUK" .../...
and so on. Why have they not added their own pictures I wonder?
Perhaps for fear of providing a bad photo?
It is better to have a bad photo which can be improved (see CCIP) or changed (see https://fr.numista.com/forum/topic45758.html#p381464
"It is quite possible and even desirable to replace the photos if a better photo is proposed"
Some referents take care of it when they have the time AND the possibility
Imagine the home page without random photos but only with weight, size or value ... depending on taste!
Cita: "ZacUK" .../...
and so on. Why have they not added their own pictures I wonder?
Perhaps for fear of providing a bad photo?
It is better to have a bad photo which can be improved (see CCIP) or changed (see https://fr.numista.com/forum/topic45758.html#p381464
"It is quite possible and even desirable to replace the photos if a better photo is proposed"
Some referents take care of it when they have the time AND the possibility
Imagine the home page without random photos but only with weight, size or value ... depending on taste!
A different suggestion: allow a way to mark listings as "this needs a better picture" (and mentioning those to users with the coin as well).
(The list would include some of the pictures I've added in the past. My photo taking technology and skill has improved significantly since I first added photos.)
It would also be useful for referees to mark pages as needing a better photo. This would apply to pages such as this or this that have low quality or even completely illegible images.
Master Coin Referee
Coin referee for CRI, GTM, HND, NIC, PAN, and SLV.
Revisor principal de monedas
Revisor de Numista para monedas de CRI, GTM, HND, NIC, PAN y SLV.
The vast majority of users don't contribute anything to numista so I don't know if such a feature will do much more then the search prompt /no-picture/ with filter 'in-collection'.
@Some_Nerd
Usually refs have some notes about the catalogs they are responsible for. We cant make it right for every one so outside solutions seem the easiest and adequate compromise.
I use a google sheet for this and then there is also the collective one (can't find the link right now) but I don't know if that is active.
Cita: "Idolenz"The vast majority of users don't contribute anything to numista so I don't know if such a feature will do much more then the search prompt /no-picture/ with filter 'in-collection'.
@Some_Nerd
Usually refs have some notes about the catalogs they are responsible for. We cant make it right for every one so outside solutions seem the easiest and adequate compromise.
I use a google sheet for this and then there is also the collective one (can't find the link right now) but I don't know if that is active.
While I have been keeping a few notes on my corner of the catalog, it never crossed my mind to make a spreadsheet. Would it be possible to PM me a link so I could have a look at your template?
Master Coin Referee
Coin referee for CRI, GTM, HND, NIC, PAN, and SLV.
Revisor principal de monedas
Revisor de Numista para monedas de CRI, GTM, HND, NIC, PAN y SLV.
Cita: "Some_Nerd"It would also be useful for referees to mark pages as needing a better photo. This would apply to pages such as this or this that have low quality or even completely illegible images.
Yes. Maybe a special Tag or similar - so that can then be searched for, by referees.
Such as this page would go on there > https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces67909.html
Where I wonder why would a member even make such a picture, let alone submit it.
I guess the 'any picture is better than none' applies, in allowing it on the site.
I see 18 votes so far - I am hoping a Tag or two are made.
No picture
Bad picture
No lettering
Don't get me started on that last one - how can any page, especially with Latin lettering, ever be allowed on here with the creator just simply not typing the lettering. Just laziness.
Also - wrongly putting it in lower case when clearly the coin has upper case lettering!!!
I had better stop typing now ...
and produce a page for each user that shows types they could provide with Numista pictures from their own collection.
Place links to that page where people will see it. One possible place is at the top of the My coins/banknotes/exonumia pages.
Thanks, of some 28k pages, I have 7 coins where there are no pics on the site (2 already updated).
Just a thought...When a "bad" picture is submitted by a member (like this one) who is still a member (like this one) why not contact them directly and ask for new pictures, especially when the NRI indicates only a few members have it. Probably would have been easier to ask for good pictures at the time they were submitted but....
I had to check to see that this wasn't something I added. Some of the first pictures I added were pretty bad -- my skills and equipment have improved significantly. (My free time hasn't increased so finding and fixing those won't reach the top of my list soon.)
Cita: "rsirian1"Just a thought...When a "bad" picture is submitted by a member (like this one) who is still a member (like this one) why not contact them directly and ask for new pictures, especially when the NRI indicates only a few members have it. Probably would have been easier to ask for good pictures at the time they were submitted but....
1. In addition to the yellow block at the top of the page, put icons on the creation and modification pages with links next to the sections to be completed referring to the relevant paragraphs of the Numisdoc: Name of the type paragraph Name of the type of the coin, Obverse (face) How to recognize the obverse of a coin, Photo How to take a photo / Presentation of an image obverse reverse and edge …
2. The judgment of the conformity of a proposed image being made visually, the referent could have a button asking for a modification 'redo the image' and in the event of an impossible answer another button which would automatically send the link of the file on the CCIP(EN) or PCAC (FR) articles of the forum.
3. It might also be impossible to duplicate a part whose listing does not have an image, obviously the member has this part available for exchange.
Cita: "rsirian1"Just a thought...When a "bad" picture is submitted by a member (like this one) who is still a member (like this one) why not contact them directly and ask for new pictures, especially when the NRI indicates only a few members have it. Probably would have been easier to ask for good pictures at the time they were submitted but....
This suggestion was submitted on April 18 on the French-speaking site, here is the translation by Google:
That's a good idea. I was suggesting to try to contact the member who submitted the "bad" picture (maybe years ago) by PM now to take a new picture to replace it since they're still a member and probably still has the coin/token and (in this case) one of only 3 members that have it.
I just added a page to show catalogue contribution suggestions, based on your collection. It lists items in your collection which catalogue pages have the following characteristics:
Missing pictures
Pictures too small
Missing weight
Missing size
You can access it via the link "Contribute" at the top of the "Coins", "Banknotes" and "Exonumia" pages.
The link is shown only if you are logged in and you registered your collection on Numista.
Or you can use the direct link: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/contributions/suggestions.php
Stato cambiato a implementato(Xavier, 28 Apr 2022, 17:38)
Apart from those four, I would like:
· Missing lettering
· Missing description
Amazing how many pages get created, and approved, without that basic information.
Cita: "ZacUK" Apart from those four, I would like:
· Missing lettering
· Missing description
Amazing how many pages get created, and approved, without that basic information.
Owning a coin doesn't imply you are able to tell what it represents or you are able to transcribe the lettering. In my opinion, this is independent of owning a coin. Anyone can add description or lettering for any coin of the catalogue, without owning them, just based on the picture. You can enter the keyword "missing" in the fields "Design" and "Lettering" to find these coins.
Cita: "Xavier"Hello,
I just added a page to show catalogue contribution suggestions, based on your collection. It lists items in your collection which catalogue pages have the following characteristics:
Missing pictures
Pictures too small
Missing weight
Missing size
You can access it via the link "Contribute" at the top of the "Coins", "Banknotes" and "Exonumia" pages.
The link is shown only if you are logged in and you registered your collection on Numista.
Or you can use the direct link: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/contributions/suggestions.php
Hello. Amazing feature. Now it is easy to add missing information. Very nice idea.
Cita: "Xavier"Hello,
I just added a page to show catalogue contribution suggestions, based on your collection. It lists items in your collection which catalogue pages have the following characteristics:
Missing pictures
Pictures too small
Missing weight
Missing size
You can access it via the link "Contribute" at the top of the "Coins", "Banknotes" and "Exonumia" pages.
The link is shown only if you are logged in and you registered your collection on Numista.
Or you can use the direct link: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/contributions/suggestions.php
Really a super idea!
I am all over it, having already submitted my Silesia and Duchy of Ferrara contributions (where I am sometimes the only person with the coin). As pointed out by ZackUK, I am also taking the opportunity to edit/upgrade some legends, and fill in some other unfilled fields.
Next I will tackle Poland, Kingdom and PLC (which is a very long list for me)!
Cita: "Xavier"Hello,
I just added a page to show catalogue contribution suggestions, based on your collection. It lists items in your collection which catalogue pages have the following characteristics:
Missing pictures
Pictures too small
Missing weight
Missing size
You can access it via the link "Contribute" at the top of the "Coins", "Banknotes" and "Exonumia" pages.
The link is shown only if you are logged in and you registered your collection on Numista.
Or you can use the direct link: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/contributions/suggestions.php
Xavier this is an awesome addition to the website. I have always wanted to improve pictures on Numista as that is where I get a lot of enjoyment. But now I can see more easily where there is a bad picture of a coin that I have got in my collection or in my swaps too. So I can do something about it.
This is an example of a coin I have in my collection that has this awful photo. (Jersey £1 from 2000)
This is what I am replacing it with. (Obverse as well of course)
But not all members have the means or the capacity to provide photos in accordance with our wishes.
if they ask to be straightened, clipped, cropped They are detectable when they are in a new catalog entry
but not when they replace a missing or too small image... we reach point 2-
I am curious how many coin listings were identified as needing one of these fields improved upon.
For me personally, I received a list of something like 80 coins on which to "Contribute", which was shocking to me, since I have only 455 coins in my Numista collection! I am slowly doing the suggested improvements, generally with quick response (thank you, apuking and jarcek!!).
So I imagine this effort brought thousands (even tens of thousands??) of possibilities up for improvement.
Cita: "Some_Nerd"Would it be possible for referees to mark pages as having poor quality image? Pages like this have a properly sized photo, but the quality is abysmal.
Why limit that to referees? I think most people will be able to see that picture is horrendous
Cita: "CREPOSUC"Any member owning the coin can submit a new image
Yes, but the question was for referees to be able to mark an image as having poor quality. I merely stated that that should also be possible for regular members, not only for referees
I get a couple of missing size which are Exonumia as below:
However, when I go to the page the dimensions are in there already:
I think where a rectangular shape is chosen the diameter field should disappear and then height and width be used? Is this a bug?
If the coin is not round, the largest spatial dimension should be specified.
for a rectangular coin, measuring 30 by 40 mm, you should record the size of the diagonal, 50 mm.
Cita: "rsirian1"From the Guidelines for the Numista catalogue:
If the coin is not round, the largest spatial dimension should be specified.
for a rectangular coin, measuring 30 by 40 mm, you should record the size of the diagonal, 50 mm.
This is a great tool to improve the catalog. I just finished adding weights and sizes to 75 items I have.
Adding/improving picture size will take a bit longer due to image processing, but I'll get to it eventually
A bit THANKS to Xavier on getting us this great tool.
Please look at the end of the thread, where it's clearly stated that my poor coin images are not good enough to replace NO images! Yeah, surprises can happen.
I did all the "add image", add "weigths" and "measurements" yesterday.
I just wonder how many other members did the same? The referees risk to have queues of CR for the same coin from plenty of users. First in, first treated or how is that foreseen? Sounds like a risky procedure and a loss of time, but probably with good results.
I'll not attack the too small images, because there is more to that, than the size! A small image of a UNC coin is better than a large image of a G coin according to me, so I'm not sure how to go round that request? I had a look, but I definitely don't want to downgrade any images with worse grade coins?
I'm not sure to report weight or size of personal coin and put it into the coin's page is a good idea. Only standard parameters from reliable sources should be placed. Just for example, I was reported about a coin's weight 5,76 gr., the coin in my collection is 6,02 gr., which weight should I place in the coin's page? For many big commemorative CuNi coins weight difference could be a few grams! May be more right decision is to put custom range in comment part?
That's always the problem. Xavier asked all members to help to enrich the catalog, and of course problems like this will show up all the time. Why don't you first of all bring in the data from the Russian Bank, then at least nobody else will come on the idea (like me) to make a CR with measures from my instruments in my collection?
As I have said before an action like this should have been planned better and all referees should have been informed.
Why don't you first of all bring in the data from the Russian Bank, then at least nobody else will come on the idea (like me) to make a CR with measures from my instruments in my collection?
As I have said before an action like this should have been planned better and all referees should have been informed.
Because Bank of Russia doesn't provide this information of cause. All coins with reported weight have all available information. But not all coins contain such info on Bank of Russia base.
To my mind we need a common decision rather then "private" cases. Ok, for Red Book coins I have a "reliable" avarege weight (I have more then 100 coins in cash office). What have I to do for coins without such quantity? A few days ago another user sent me weight of his coins from Russian Fleet set, I have no 100 sets to get an avarege.... Should I put his data provided his weight is 5.75gr., but mine - 6,15 (I'm not sure in exect figures but it was something like this)? Or I should make avarege from this 2 coins? And if I get third weight should I recalculate the avarege again? I think it was not good idea to ask weight and size of coins from collectors and put his data to our base especially for big coins. It is much easier with pictures. I send, referee accepts or rejects. I can be agree with him/her or not, but it is a decision (but in some cases I don't understand rejection with comment “Current pictures are fine”).
To my mind we need a common decision rather then "private" cases. Ok, for Red Book coins I have a "reliable" avarege weight (I have more then 100 coins in cash office). What have I to do for coins without such quantity? A few days ago another user sent me weight of his coins from Russian Fleet set, I have no 100 sets to get an avarege.... Should I put his data provided his weight is 5.75gr., but mine - 6,15 (I'm not sure in exect figures but it was something like this)? Or I should make avarege from this 2 coins? And if I get third weight should I recalculate the avarege again? I think it was not good idea to ask weight and size of coins from collectors and put his data to our base especially for big coins. It is much easier with pictures. I send, referee accepts or rejects. I can be agree with him/her or not, but it is a decision (but in some cases I don't understand rejection with comment “Current pictures are fine”).
I do agree with you, Xavier was too fast making this possible and asking people to react according to their lists.
Honestly I think you should average, even if you only have 2 coins! The reason for this is, that those coins will not be available for others to make CR, since the measures are already filled out. The question is then how to treat new CR concerning the measurements, since the individual data for establishing the first average are probably no longer there.
Xavier never thought about these facts of life....
There is nothing new here in terms of feature, or field…the weight and diameter fields are here for years… 🙄
The only thing that changed is about having a place where member can easily see where they can help fill in missing details.
The process hasn't change: a member submits a request that is reviewed by a referee. And as any request, the source field exists to provide information on the origin of the measurements…
Sapientiae plerumque stultitia est comes.
Si c'est un grand plaisir d'être reconnu par ses amis, c'est peut-être encore plus flatteur d'être reconnu par ses adversaires.
Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.
it's too easy the way you see it. Two days ago we ALL got the list where we could add missing images, larger images, weights, and other measurements, right?
Let's just estimate that around 10 members were giving their private measurements of a Russian coin in 10 different CR (Change Request). The referee had NOT been told about that action started by Xavier. What was the poor referee going to do with the first CR, stating 25.17g as weight, when his own coin was 26.0g? And nine more CR came in with all different weights. Did Xavier give instructions about how to handle this?
Please be practical, should the referee change the coin 9 times (for each CR)? Should the referee wait until no more CR were coming, and then make an average, or what?
Planning was not made and that kind of actions were not foreseen. Heaven knows, what numista will have for measurements “tomorrow”. Think before acting, please.
We asked users to share pictures, and nothing changed here.
But info about a coin's weight or size is mostly useless, as parameters of any coin not always correspond to standard ones.
As a referee I know what should I do with new pictures, but info about size or weight of personal coin cannot be used (as I understand referee's responsibility). So, I think requests about coin's size and weight better to delete to not generate conflicts between users and referees.
IMHO the catalog grows with member's contributions. I'm not 100% sure if referees verify with a reputable source that the information entered on an item's page by a member is correct. Someone once changed completely the information on a page I created including the photos with one of another completely different coin, and it was accepted by the referee. So I gather that in many (most?) cases the referee trusts the user requesting the change, especially if it is an addition of information that's missing in the original item's page (instead of a change of existing information).
The feature introduced by Xavier a couple weeks ago is a tool to provide awareness of where members can contribute, and yes, the information we post most likely relates to the items in our hands, including the scans/photos, weights, diameters, etcetera.
I doubt 10 people updated the same page within 2 weeks. And once the update is accepted it will disappear from other members “contribute” page which reduces the window where these collisions can happen. So the process should be similar as if 2 members create pages for the same item in short timeframe with slightly different information. The referee will have to figure out which information is correct.
So while I hear Ole's concern, doing a quick “cost/benefit” analysis (based on gut feeling, not any statistical information) I say the new feature is a great tool to enhance the catalog.
IMHO the catalog grows with member's contributions. I'm not 100% sure if referees verify with a reputable source that the information entered on an item's page by a member is correct. Someone once changed completely the information on a page I created including the photos with one of another completely different coin, and it was accepted by the referee. So I gather that in many (most?) cases the referee trusts the user requesting the change, especially if it is an addition of information that's missing in the original item's page (instead of a change of existing information).
The feature introduced by Xavier a couple weeks ago is a tool to provide awareness of where members can contribute, and yes, the information we post most likely relates to the items in our hands, including the scans/photos, weights, diameters, etcetera.
I doubt 10 people updated the same page within 2 weeks. And once the update is accepted it will disappear from other members “contribute” page which reduces the window where these collisions can happen. So the process should be similar as if 2 members create pages for the same item in short timeframe with slightly different information. The referee will have to figure out which information is correct.
So while I hear Ole's concern, doing a quick “cost/benefit” analysis (based on gut feeling, not any statistical information) I say the new feature is a great tool to enhance the catalog.
I do agree on that, but still rules should have been communicated to the referees. In this case my measurements were not accepted, since they deviated from the data of the coins in the referees possesion, hence this discussion. Those Russian coins still have NO measurements. So how does that help the catalog? If all members having those specific Russian coins made a CR after the message from Xavier, I suppose around 50 CR would have hit the referee…… splendid.
I believe that in this matter, Ole and Tolnomur are correct. The weight and size fields should not be included in the contribute section (or if, indicating that these data must come from an official source or numismatic catalogue)
If we leave this field to fill in with the measure of our own currency, many discrepancies can occur.
As an example, from the Official Gazette of the State in Spain, the weight indicated for a 10 Euro coin from 2012 is 27 grams with a tolerance of 0.27 grams.
This means that our own coin can go from 26.73gr to 27.27gr, but the weight that should appear on the coin is 27gr (official weight).
Coin referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea, Marshall Islands, Moldova, Liberia and Spain
Banknote referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea and Spain
Regarding Russian coins: almost all of them has some king of standard weight which can be found in catalogues. E.g., if we take this 5 kopeck, the catalog weight is 51,2 g (from official sources) while real weight may be 35-65 grams. So, the task of a referee to find an official weight.
Another problem is with some elder coins. E.g., for the wire coins an official weight is (e.g.) 0,51 g while usual weight is 0,49 g and may be lower for some coins. The question is shall we put official or real here?
Another problem with wire coins that they don't have any fixed diameter. I prefer to not to fill it at all because it is random…
My personal list of scammers from Numista: erniemix, yvain, CassTaylor
Xavier I just added a page to show catalogue contribution suggestions, based on your collection. It lists items in your collection which catalogue pages have the following characteristics:
Missing pictures
Pictures too small
Missing weight
Missing size
pejounet
The only thing that changed is about having a place where member can easily see where they can help fill in missing details.
I just added a page to show catalogue contribution suggestions, based on your collection. It lists items in your collection which catalogue pages have the following characteristics:
If you're updating pictures on the coin page with your (better) pictures check the lettering section to make sure you don't need to update that also (same date on new coin picture, same mint mark, etc.?). Don't expect the referees to check that for you. Most of the time they won't.
I just added a page to show catalogue contribution suggestions, based on your collection. It lists items in your collection which catalogue pages have the following characteristics:
Missing pictures
Pictures too small
Missing weight
Missing size
You can access it via the link "Contribute" at the top of the "Coins", "Banknotes" and "Exonumia" pages. The link is shown only if you are logged in and you registered your collection on Numista. Or you can use the direct link: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/contributions/suggestions.php
Hi
Just thinking if on each page, in upper right corner, it would be nice to have a light bulb or some other indication (maybe red exclamation mark), which would point out the small picture size, or the piece has a missing weight or size data. When I receive such piece, It would be easier to update it. Otherwise I have to search for the piece in my collection.
Just thinking if on each page, in upper right corner, it would be nice to have a light bulb or some other indication (maybe red exclamation mark), which would point out the small picture size, or the piece has a missing weight or size data. When I receive such piece, It would be easier to update it. Otherwise I have to search for the piece in my collection.
Would it be possible to PM me a link so I could have a look at your template? 
on the creation and modification pages with links next to the sections to be completed referring to the relevant paragraphs of the Numisdoc: Name of the type paragraph Name of the type of the coin, Obverse (face) How to recognize the obverse of a coin, Photo How to take a photo / Presentation of an image obverse reverse and edge …
'redo the image' and in the event of an impossible answer another button 
which would automatically send the link of the file on the CCIP(EN) or PCAC (FR) articles of the forum.
