Silver art bars [Risolto]

I would like for Numista to add An Indexed Guidebook of Silver Art Bars 5th 6th and 7th Editions Published by Archie Kidd to the Reference Catalogs and allow us to add the catalog numbers to each entry on numista for the art bars. Each edition is covers bars from different time periods are are the go to resource for identification of each bar by IASAC the International Association Of Silver Art Collectors. 

Hello,

I'm not sure how the Kidd references work. Should we create 3 catalogues “Kidd 5”, “Kidd 6” and “Kidd 7”, so that we can identify in which volume the item is described?

I would treat it just like Krause they have different catalogs for each century but it’s basically one continuous resource. We just say KM# not KM edition…..# These are very similar in how they work each one is for a different time period so I would just list is as KIDD#  

Matt

I see how you have all the Krause catalogs listed but they all use the KM# I think it would be good to list the 3 Kidd catalogs the same way and you can just do the same way. I think I misunderstood you earlier when you were asking if there should be 3 entries. I agree there should be 3 entires but use the same Kidd tag when listing the number on pages.

Matt

Hello,

I added the Kidd catalogues: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/catalogue.php?id=2111

I'm not sure whether listing them with a single code is the right approach. We need to define some guidelines for that.

In some cases, we list all the volumes with a single code (example: KM). In other cases, we list them with different codes (examples: RIC, HGC, Miselli). The later approach is needed when the numbering starts again in each volume, in order to avoid ambiguity. Even if it's not the case, having different codes may be useful for readers to know in which volume the item is described, in order to buy or borrow the right volume.

Coming back to the Kidd catalogues, I see that the website silverartcollector.com mentions the specific volume/edition when describing a bar, for example “Kidd 6th Ed.” (here) or “SAC” (for the 7th edition, here).

Thank you for getting this taken care of it will be a great Addition!

Matt

Thank you for getting this taken care of it will be a great Addition!

Matt

I see how you have all the Krause catalogs listed but they all use the KM# I think it would be good to list the 3 Kidd catalogs the same way and you can just do the same way. I think I misunderstood you earlier when you were asking if there should be 3 entries. I agree there should be 3 entires but use the same Kidd tag when listing the number on pages.

Matt

Xavier

I'm not sure whether listing them with a single code is the right approach. We need to define some guidelines for that.

In some cases, we list all the volumes with a single code (example: KM). In other cases, we list them with different codes (examples: RIC, HGC, Miselli). The later approach is needed when the numbering starts again in each volume, in order to avoid ambiguity. Even if it's not the case, having different codes may be useful for readers to know in which volume the item is described, in order to buy or borrow the right volume.

I remember this discussion. The consensus was to always add volumes with separate codes for the reason you've stated: a reference needs to include the volume number. This can also have some impact on sorting by reference.

There were just two exceptions discussed: KM# and P#, for the reason that it would cause too much chaos to reassign tens of thousands of numbers, and these particular references are so common that it should be quite clear.

Additionally, there should be no separate codes for catalogues that have all the reference numbers in a single volume. For example, many catalogues have a volume I with the text and a volume II with the image plates. Then one code is enough.

I see how you have all the Krause catalogs listed but they all use the KM# I think it would be good to list the 3 Kidd catalogs the same way and you can just do the same way. I think I misunderstood you earlier when you were asking if there should be 3 entries. I agree there should be 3 entires but use the same Kidd tag when listing the number on pages.

Matt