German silver = Cu-Ni-Zn misses under alloys [Risolto]

For some 10 hryvnia from Ukraine, the minting authorities state that the alloy is “German Silver”, which is an alloy of Cu-Ni-Zn!

I wonder, if all the 10 hryvnia coins aren't made of the Cu-Ni-Zn alloy, which we cannot enter in numista! 

Same discussion as with “nickel silver” except “German silver” isn't an option for composition in Numista.  Certainty zinc is incorrect as the composition (although nickel plated zinc would make sense if they actually are that).  I'd suggest if the mint says they're “German silver” to select “nickel brass” as the composition and add “German silver, Cu-Ni-Zn” under it (assuming the exact composition isn't known).

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic92292.html

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic117302.html 

Of course you can enter copper-nickel-zinc alloys on Numista!!!11!1!

It's called nickel-brass.

Idolenz

Of course you can enter copper-nickel-zinc alloys on Numista!!!11!1!

It's called nickel-brass.

Thanks, it's actually called Nickel brass😛

This coin N#342335  is not made from the same composition as this one N#334227 and commemorative coin N#14430 is made from 3-rd composition.

10 Hryven Territorial Defense Forces is made on a planchet of circulating coin N#219691 

Composition - Nickel plated zinc, found also mentioning of metal as Fe(Ni)

 Commemorative coins are made from German silver/Nickel silver/Cu-Ni-Zn

10 Hryven circulating commemorative coins like this N#334227 are made from not specified zinc alloy (found mentioning of metal as Zn(Cu)Ni)

Do you want to say that composition is all those coins is the same? And if nickel brass basically meaning the same as nickel silver why we would want to make updates to 500+ Ukrainian coins having composition set as nickel silver? 

If one day we would get rid of nickel silver as composition entirely from Numista, then Xavier will do bulk update for all coins listed in this site from nickel silver to nickel brass, otherwise having them both now I don't see a need to update composition for only Ukrainian coins.

It's a great shame if so many coins have been added with a misleading alloy description. Hopefully that “find and replace” will soon materialize. For now, let's make sure no more coins are added with the word “silver” in their alloys that don't contain any silver.

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So usage of Nickel silver is not prohibited and should be used when color of Cu-Ni-Zn coin is not yellow/is white

Usage of nickel silver should be prohibited as the alloy contains no silver. We can't go on misleading people. Most Cu-Ni-Zn alloys are off white in colour but this can often be hard to see in an image. Use either Cu-Ni-Zn or nickel-brass and we can't go wrong.

I guess there isn't enough space in the database to define alloys and avoid confusion. 😕

Composition Nickel brass (copper-nickel-zinc)

Composition Nickel silver (copper-nickel-zinc)

Composition Nordic gold (aluminium-copper-tin-zinc)

Composition Virenium (copper-nickel-zinc)

inc7007

I guess there isn't enough space in the database to define alloys and avoid confusion. @

 

Composition Nickel brass (copper-nickel-zinc)

Composition Nickel silver (copper-nickel-zinc)

Composition Nordic gold (aluminium-copper-tin-zinc)

Composition Virenium (copper-nickel-zinc)

Which is why we need to avoid these misleading terms. The irony is that an alloy of nickel and silver is impossible to produce without the presence of at least one other metal (see page 48 of the Royal Mint Annual Report 1928). One wonders if it was this fact that lead manufacturers to use this term to try and pass off their base metal products as precious metal.

It's all easy, Ni brass, with the mention German silver! On top of that, it is even correct!

I have done all the 5 hryvnia by hand, and then I searched the coins left to do!

587 still to be done, so please set the robot to do it, there are many countries to consider.

ArsenEverlast

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So usage of Nickel silver is not prohibited and should be used when color of Cu-Ni-Zn coin is not yellow/is white

This currently applies, so I am closing this topic.

We can't go on implying these coins contain silver when they don't. The French name isn't misleading but the English one clearly is. We need to use names that are accurate. Yet again, the guidelines are creating problems.