Yugoslavia 10 Dinara 1977 variants

Hi

I have received a message from Jay2001 (24th December 2022):

For a 10 Dinara coin (N#839) I have one with a different variation to the two listed in 1977. The coin has two versions listed for different acorn stalk positions, either both starting behind the leaves or both starting beside the leaves. 

I have a coin where the left stalk comes from the beside position but the right hand one comes from the behind position.

If you compare this photo with the examples on the coin page you will see it is distinctly different from both of them.

Jay2001, sorry on my couple of days late answer on 10 Dinara coin (N#839). I am posting my answer on Forum, as to receive more replies in order to make proper changes on this coin page.

I personally believe there are two general varieties, but not the way as represented at the moment on Numista (although Ole's picture on the right does give me creeps over third variety as it is almost impossible to be a die damage). Today I have taken out some 80 coins I have of 10 Dinara 1977 mintage. I have been doing this check before, but I gave up from all the clutter, noise and other non-sensible info on the web about these varieties.

I dare to say, that all these coins have the same left acorn stalk (middle leaf on right), starting from the same position, that is at the lower “dent” of the leaf. So there is no short or long stem of acorn. Those that seem to stem from lobe part of the leaf I personally believe to be a die damage, where part of the die has broken off and then it seems like there is another sub-type => hence the acorn stem and leaf joined.

My call therefor is (just upon checking the reverse side of the coin):

Left picture variant B, right one variant A:

Variant A:

1. Only three olive branch leafs have a clear middle line, the others have none or truly hardly visible, but clearly distinct from the variant B. => this info is also available in “Katalog Jugoslovanskih kovancev 1920-1988", authors: Ješe, Čop, Podržaj and Zavrl.
2. Lower right part of the ribbon, which overhangs the olive branch petiole is flat.
3. Numbers seven in year 1977 are flat at the pointed head of numbers.
4. Midrib of the second oak leaf is protruding very far to the apex of the leaf.
5. Slightly longer leaf petiole of first olive leaf, the olive on right has smaller distance to the lower leaf.

Variant B:

1. All six leafs on the olive branch have a clear middle line.
2. Lower right part of the ribbon, which overhangs the olive branch petiole is clearly dented with clearly expressed ribbon when overlapping the branch.
3. Numbers seven in year 1977 are pointed at the head of numbers.
4. Midrib of the second oak leaf is protruding only to the point between the last left and right leaf lobes.
5. Shorter leaf petiole of first olive leaf, the olive on right has bigger distance to the lower leaf.

There may be more tiny differences or may also be in the range of errors, like three lines on the rim of reverse (generally only two), die damages, some stems of acorns almost missing, cracks like lines around the rim, etc.

I hope we get some replies on this one, thanks in advance!

LP

Original pics:

In my opinion the “new” differences are there, but they are only possible to recognize, when you have the two variants next to each other, the acorn stalk differences can be found, if only one of the coins is available.

I got this some years ago (2020/2021), but I cannot remember, who sent it to me, but it looks more or less like yours?

I never used it, because of the reasons given above.

You should be able to determine a variant with only one coin in front of you and a good image of the different varieties.

Variants and errors in coin collecting of mass circulating coins are usually wishful thinking. Anything but rotation of more than 45 degrees between frontside and backside of the coin is not an error for me. Errors can be made by collectors manipulating coins in various ways. Variants have to be blatantly obvious for coins, visible to naked eye and have to keep same level of details for a given coin as the original variant. 

Most famous coin as an example of variants is 5 francs silver coin or Spanish Real.  Variants will include typically mint marks, mint letters, something obvious like year, missing crown on kings/emperors head and so on

xrp

Variants and errors in coin collecting of mass circulating coins are usually wishful thinking. Anything but rotation of more than 45 degrees between frontside and backside of the coin is not an error for me. Errors can be made by collectors manipulating coins in various ways. Variants have to be blatantly obvious for coins, visible to naked eye and have to keep same level of details for a given coin as the original variant. 

 

Most famous coin as an example of variants is 5 francs silver coin or Spanish Real.  Variants will include typically mint marks, mint letters, something obvious like year, missing crown on kings/emperors head and so on

I possess some 50 pcs of above stated variant A and some 30 pcs of variant B. All coins as stated within specific variant are literally the same (never mind the usual wear and tear of circulation). So there were at least two dies or die variants if they may be called so. I am here searching for more possible distinct varieties and also how to amend page, so that users can be notified of the change (Numista has no such functionality and I am therefor reluctant to just go ahead with the change, that as far as I am concerned needs to be done).

LP

I am familiar with proper variants on Yugoslav gold and silver coins from different periods, pre ww2, post war etc. They are well known. But on mass minted circulating cheap coins, in my opinion, these are almost not noticable to naked eye and therefore i would not call them that. I am aware that these can be found at 1,2, and 5 dinar coins from that period. I would call this poor quality control, rather than variant. It is very common for coins from old socialist/communist countries. If I would name every minor dent or bend in Russian ruble coin a variant there would be millions of them.