No reference, if there is no precise catalog reference, quite obvious, isn't it?
Simple indeed, but I still think it is useful sometimes to put a dash, as a proof someone already checked in the supposedly exhaustive catalog and confirmed it is not referenced yet. Numista is a never ending work in progress: often, not seeing the reference on an item does not mean the item is not referenced in it. Just that no one contributed yet. We prevent losing time by putting a dash: no need for everyone to check.
This should rather be done in the Google doc with all the countries (if it is still active) and give everybody reading access who has the link (posted in some thread or FAQ page) and writing rights for refs. So everyone can see the completion state of certain main catalogs.
I have a doc for my personal use as an example how it could look like (here for Krause and JNDA catalogs).
I think how it's done right now is just so some can sort by reference and keep some sorting they deem better suited to their taste.
We should ask the robot to attribute a KM- to all coin without KM.
Doesn't this defeat Compendium's reason for adding a dash? put a dash, as a proof someone already checked in the supposedly exhaustive catalog and confirmed it is not referenced yet. Unless the Robot can also check the catalog and verify it's not there.
We should ask the robot to attribute a KM- to all coin without KM.
Doesn't this defeat Compendium's reason for adding a dash? put a dash, as a proof someone already checked in the supposedly exhaustive catalog and confirmed it is not referenced yet. Unless the Robot can also check the catalog and verify it's not there.
Sorry but I don’t guet the purpose of the dash, by example all coins edited after the last KM publication, seems like in perfect line with our guideline, no?
The dash should be used only in case the coin is in scope of the catalogue (which is not the case for coins issued after the last issue of the KM) and if it applies to a small number of coins. It should really be used only for catalogues that are one the main references for a given issuer, but the coin is missing from that catalogue. This usually happens for varieties discovered after the catalogue was written.
Can we display a popup on page to explain what is the purpose of this dash ?
It’ not really user friendly to brow the catalog with the guideline open to understand why a reference is mentioned on a coin page with a dash without being in the catalog.
We should ask the robot to attribute a KM- to all coin without KM.
Doesn't this defeat Compendium's reason for adding a dash? put a dash, as a proof someone already checked in the supposedly exhaustive catalog and confirmed it is not referenced yet. Unless the Robot can also check the catalog and verify it's not there.
Sorry but I don’t guet the purpose of the dash, by example all coins edited after the last KM publication, seems like in perfect line with our guideline, no?
I don't want to put words into anyone's mouth but I believe the intent for a dash is to signify that someone has actually search the catalog and come up empty. Useful for coins you would expect to be in a catalog like SCWC but aren't. A “KM# -” would alert others that a search has already been done and this coin is not in the SCWC. I often search in SCWC for additional information for coins referenced in the forums that don't have a KM reference. A dash would alert me not to bother.
The dash should be used only in case the coin is in scope of the catalogue (which is not the case for coins issued after the last issue of the KM) and if it applies to a small number of coins. It should really be used only for catalogues that are one the main references for a given issuer, but the coin is missing from that catalogue. This usually happens for varieties discovered after the catalogue was written.
Can you count from the database the number of NR and dash currently registered by catalog?
We should ask the robot to attribute a KM- to all coin without KM.
Doesn't this defeat Compendium's reason for adding a dash? put a dash, as a proof someone already checked in the supposedly exhaustive catalog and confirmed it is not referenced yet. Unless the Robot can also check the catalog and verify it's not there.
Sorry but I don’t guet the purpose of the dash, by example all coins edited after the last KM publication, seems like in perfect line with our guideline, no?
I don't want to put words into anyone's mouth but I believe the intent for a dash is to signify that someone has actually search the catalog and come up empty. Useful for coins you would expect to be in a catalog like SCWC but aren't. A “KM# -” would alert others that a search has already been done and this coin is not in the SCWC. I often search in SCWC for additional information for coins referenced in the forums that don't have a KM reference. A dash would alert me not to bother.
As a total newby if I see that:
I will go to the reference pages and don't see it, so I will first think there is a bug and then ask me what the hell is that - use for …
The signal something is wrong is when an experience user start a sentence by “I believe the intent for…”.
As said before, when you have to open a manual to understand the purpose of a functionality in a free website, something is wrong …
I disagree. When I discovered not so long ago Numista, I understood directly that dash = missing.
I think the misunderstanding may come from the part of Numista youre interested in. If like me you work on Carolingian coinage, it is very useful to signal which entries are missing from for instance a catalogue like Nouchy which is supposed to be exhaustive for West Francia.
I think the dash makes more sense for very specialized catalogues (on time and place) than maybe for general catalogues.
Anyway, just do not use it if you see no interest in it, but please understand why it is very useful in some (rare) cases
Anyway, just do not use it if you see no interest in it, but please understand why it is very useful in some (rare) cases
It's not if I agree or not, it's just a pandora box, and things that are not clear can grow up really quickly, le the 80 more nr references on a specific book.
