British Honduras not an Issuer? [Risolto]

So I recently obtained a British Honduras coin and when I went to enter it I saw that Numista has both the Country and the Issuer listed as ‘Belize’.   

I was expecting Belize as the Country but expected British Honduras as Issuer - much as Soviet Union coins show up as Country = Russia and Issuer = Soviet Union.

Is this a mistake or am I just misunderstanding the relationship between Country and Issuer?   

Is there an FAQ -style explanation somewhere of guidelines used to determine Countries and Issuers ?

You mean like this?

Huh.    Maybe it's more of an Export issue?   (Thanks for the quick response)

I was thinking specifically of KM32 - which looks like this when I do an export and read into Excel - the Issuer field says ‘Belize’:

But now that you point it out, on the page itself I see the Issuer is as you noted:


I guess my new, revised question would be why is the exported Issuer different from the displayed Issuer?
 

I was (perhaps mistakenly) expecting it to look more like the Soviet Union case



and:

Both cases seem similar. There may be an error exporting Belize - British Honduras.

Add Ruling Authority to the export and it will show Colony of British Honduras.  Still, doesn't seem to be in line with how Russia/USSR is handled.

Yeah, but I count different Issuers in my collection, not different Ruling Authorities.   😂

Plus ‘Ruling Authority’ changes a lot more frequently because it also seems to include the individual soveriegn….

(Well Elizabeth II didn't change often at all , but in general you take my point….)

 

Does an explanatory FAQ of all these concepts exist somewhere in the Forum?

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/contributions/instructions.php#issuers 

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/contributions/instructions.php#ruling_authorities 

This explains why Russia/USSR is treated differently.

That's a good find.

I guess I'm just used to seeing historical names of current Countries as separate Issuers - for example:  Rhodesia, Southern Rhodesia and Zimbabwe all appear as Issuers under Country Zimbabwe or  British Palestine and Israel both under Israel.     (Granted I'm not up on the geography of those name changes so maybe they really aren't as analogous as I think).

I'm not really complaining, just trying to understand the logic.   
It's just a little jarring to see a name that didn't even exist before 1965 used as an ‘Issuer’ for Victorian 1880's coinage!

PS - Thanks for the dialog and the digging.

chaboard

That's a good find.

I guess I'm just used to seeing historical names of current Countries as separate Issuers - for example:  Rhodesia, Southern Rhodesia and Zimbabwe all appear as Issuers under Country Zimbabwe or  British Palestine and Israel both under Israel.     (Granted I'm not up on the geography of those name changes so maybe they really aren't as analogous as I think).

I'm not really complaining, just trying to understand the logic.   
It's just a little jarring to see a name that didn't even exist before 1965 used as an ‘Issuer’ for Victorian 1880's coinage!

You aren't alone in finding this odd. It seems the admins simply don't want to accept the trouble these mergers cause ordinary members.

British Honduras is listed separately in Krause - as is British Guiana.

Aidan.

BCNumismatics

British Honduras is listed separately in Krause - as is British Guiana.

 

Aidan.

Krause should be given some weight, but a listing in Krause shouldn't be assumed to be appropriate or correct. Krause has listings for coins for The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in the 1601-1700 book even though the union wasn't formed until 1801.

bjherbison

BCNumismatics

British Honduras is listed separately in Krause - as is British Guiana.

 

Aidan.

Krause should be given some weight, but a listing in Krause shouldn't be assumed to be appropriate or correct. Krause has listings for coins for The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in the 1601-1700 book even though the union wasn't formed until 1801.

The U.K. was created in 1707 with the Acts of Union of England & Scotland.

The current U.K. in terms of its territorial area was created in 1922 when the Irish Free State became an independent Dominion.

Aidan.

BCNumismatics

 

The U.K. was created in 1707 with the Acts of Union of England & Scotland.

 

The current U.K. in terms of its territorial area was created in 1922 when the Irish Free State became an independent Dominion.

 

Aidan.

No, the UK was created in 1801 with the Act of Union between Great Britain (created in 1707) and Ireland.

I'm sorry, I got us off track. How should British Honduras be represented in Numista.

chaboard

Yeah, but I count different Issuers in my collection, not different Ruling Authorities.   😂

Plus ‘Ruling Authority’ changes a lot more frequently because it also seems to include the individual soveriegn….

(Well Elizabeth II didn't change often at all , but in general you take my point….)

 

Does an explanatory FAQ of all these concepts exist somewhere in the Forum?

Perhaps it is better understood if move the ruling authority after issuer.

Also can be split the authority ruling between period (Colony of British Honduras) and the ruling authority (Elizabeth II).