Make a ticket for scrips and alphabets?

There may not be many scripts or letters we miss, but I will still ask if we could add a dedicated topic for "Scripts and Letters"?

I have at least one letter and one script I want to add and I think it could be easier with a dedicated “aim”

What do people think? :)

I'm all for it ;-)

Been a while so I will like to elaborate what I would wish for the script section:

For older Danish Banknotes I would like the letter “Long S”: ſ, to be in the special keyboard for Latin script

Sources:

https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfabet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s

I would like Morse Code as a “script of an item”, since for instance the Canadian Victory cents have morse code on them.

Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code

Jamtrup

Been a while so I will like to elaborate what I would wish for the script section:

For older Danish Banknotes I would like the letter “Long S”: ſ, to be in the special keyboard for Latin script

Sources:

https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfabet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s

 

I would like Morse Code as a “script of an item”, since for instance the Canadian Victory cents have morse code on them.

Source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code

 

 

Should be Latin (Morse) as Morse is not a script in itself, but another format for latin alphabet letters

Compendium

Should be Latin (Morse) as Morse is not a script in itself, but another format for latin alphabet letters

Shoild there also be a Cyrillic (Morse) then, or doesn't any country using the Cyrillic script (or any other, for that matter) use the Morse code?

ngdawa

Compendium

Should be Latin (Morse) as Morse is not a script in itself, but another format for latin alphabet letters

Shoild there also be a Cyrillic (Morse) then, or doesn't any country using the Cyrillic script (or any other, for that matter) use the Morse code?

If you can find any issuer which have used cyrilic morse code on their notes, then it could be an idea for addition :) 

Jamtrup

ngdawa

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Should be Latin (Morse) as Morse is not a script in itself, but another format for latin alphabet letters

Shoild there also be a Cyrillic (Morse) then, or doesn't any country using the Cyrillic script (or any other, for that matter) use the Morse code?

If you can find any issuer which have used cyrilic morse code on their notes, then it could be an idea for addition :) 

What I'm asking is why we can't just have Morse, but it has to be Latin (Morse). Is the Morse code different if it's Bulgarian?

(Didn't want another quotation)

Yes I wondered the same for a moment and looked it up. There are a morse code specificly for Greek, Cyrilic, Hebrew, Devengari and even more! Even Chinese :D 🤓

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code_for_non-Latin_alphabets

Jamtrup

ngdawa

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Should be Latin (Morse) as Morse is not a script in itself, but another format for latin alphabet letters

Shoild there also be a Cyrillic (Morse) then, or doesn't any country using the Cyrillic script (or any other, for that matter) use the Morse code?

If you can find any issuer which have used cyrilic morse code on their notes, then it could be an idea for addition :) 

Exactly :-)

The Morse code looks the same, whether it's English, Russian, Korean, Arabic or Hebrew. So why the suggestion is Latin (Morse) instead of just Morse beats me. We don't have Latin (English) and Latin (Czech) just because Czech has more letters. I'm just trying to understand the reasoning.

ngdawa

The Morse code looks the same, whether it's English, Russian, Korean, Arabic or Hebrew. So why the suggestion is Latin (Morse) instead of just Morse beats me. We don't have Latin (English) and Latin (Czech) just because Czech has more letters. I'm just trying to understand the reasoning.

What are the non latin czech letters?

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ngdawa

The Morse code looks the same, whether it's English, Russian, Korean, Arabic or Hebrew. So why the suggestion is Latin (Morse) instead of just Morse beats me. We don't have Latin (English) and Latin (Czech) just because Czech has more letters. I'm just trying to understand the reasoning.

What are the non latin czech letters?

Are you serious that you don't understand whag I'm saying, or are you just playing dumb?

How is the “Latin (Morse)” ••• different from “Greek (Morse)” •••, “Cyrillic (Morse)” •••, “Hebrew (Morse)” •••, and “Arabic (Morse)” •••? In “Hangul (Morse)” its ——•, same as “Latin (Morse)” for G.

To differentiate “Latin morse” from “Cyrillic morse" is like differentiate “Latin (English)” from “Latin (Czech)”, when J is written Dž.

If you don't understand now I can't help you. I've been writing the same thing like five times now. What don't you understand? And Where is the Latin in “•••”?

Sorry I do not understand indeed… Morse in no script in itself, it is simply a code to represent by sounds or lights sequences the different letters which exist in actual scripts. So it seems just natural to me that when people decide to actually write down Morse code on something (using the dots and bars conventions), we need to differentiate when the coding was used for Latin alphabet or other scripts like greek, etc, like explained here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morse_code_for_non-Latin_alphabets

Saying just “this item uses Morse as representation” would be meaningless, as Morse is not a script, just a coding system of scripts. Does it make sense for you?

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Sorry I do not understand indeed… Morse in no script in itself, it is simply a code to represent by sounds or lights sequences the different letters which exist in actual scripts.

This goes for all scripts, and we don't differentiate “Latin” between English and Spanish, even though the letters represent different sounds in the languages. The Icelandic Ð does not sound at all like the Serbian Ð, but we just have “Latin” to choose for both letters. So either if it's a Greek or Swedish morse code, ••• still is an S. Then the alphabets' scripts are different.

But Sweden and United Kingdom both uses the Latin script, but Swedish has three more letters, ÅÄÖ, and therefore three additional codes in Morse. But the Swedish Ä (•—•—) is the same as the Polish Ą, and the Serbian Ð (••—••) is the same as French É, and Polish Ę. So either we just have “Morse”, like we have “Braille”, or you have to add Morse for each language, since the codes can represent different letters

Was this more clear?

I agree mostly with Ngdawa, about just keeping it as Morse for two reasons:

1) We only have Morse code rerepresented for a Latin script for now.

2) Braille exist in the catalog only as “Braille”, but there exist Braille versions for non-latin scripts. And braille is also a “code” for the blind and visually impaired.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_uniformity_of_braille_alphabets

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braille

Examples:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainland_Chinese_Braille

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Braille

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Braille

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devanagari_Braille

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_and_Lao_Braille

Side note: And the addition of a specific ticket for scripts and alphabets? Which I originally asked for? :)

Hello,
 

More (like Braille) is a bit different from the other scripts we currently have. Morse is a way to encode letters, whereas the other scripts, such as Latin, Cyrillic or Chinese are ways to transcribe sounds or words of a language.

Still, the dots and dashes are a way to transcribe this encoding, and those characters are unique to Morse and shared for all the alphabets it may encode. So I believe we can consider it as a script.

Showing it as "Latin (Morse)" would imply that it is just a special calligraphic style of writing Latin letters, which is not true, as it uses different characters.

Based on these considerations, I added “Morse” to the list of scripts.

I will also add the long S (ſ) to the virtual keyboard.

I'm not sure about the initial request for a special ticket type for scripts. We don't have so many requests for scripts (the same is true for shapes and materials) and there are already many request types. I fear that too many types of ticket may be confusing, and I'd rather use the ticket type for “suggestion” or no ticket type at all.