Proof coin not listed in the catalog [Risolto]

I had submitted this coin through the “contribute” link. But haven't seen it added.  It's the Finnish “10 Markkaa European Union Presidency” from 1999.  Here are the photos with the certificate of authenticity.

You can see your requests here:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/contributions/liste_demandes.php

If was more than 3 months you can ask the refereee maybe. But I would wait.

Ok. But it was rejected because there is a listing for the coin for the coin. But the highest condition rating is UNC. There is no proof rating. Do i resubmit or something else.

Hello,

For me Proof and UNC are 2 different things.

Proof = specific process, with better quality.

 And like any coin can be damaged and graded from G to UNC.

If the « proof«  has a mintage qty separate than the 100000 shown on the page, maybe ask for a second line. 
 

below example on a 2 euro commemorative 

Just an idea 

To me it doesn't look proof, the fields aren't really mirror like (at least from the photo) but the certificate says proof. Or does it say proof-like? May Finish is not really good.

It would help everybody to help you if you included a link to the coin you are asking about.  I'm assuming you are asking about this coin:

N#78010

If so, PROOF is already listed:

If you're asking about this coin:

N#34839

then you'll need to supply evidence that Proofs were actually made.

Has to be the second one. Can tell from colors of the ring and center, they are Not the same.

now just down to some translation of the certificate and evidence of a specific mintage.

All five (5) coins in the case are minted by Rahapaja Oy and are legal tender. The denominations of Proof quality coins are 10 FIM, 5 FIM, 1 FIM, 50 p and 10 p.

In addition, a silver token minted in honor of the EU summit held in Helsinki in December 1999 has been added to the coin set.

Best I could find 🤷🏻‍♂️ bit vague 

https://www.kolikkogalleria.rahapaja.fi/en/coin/finland-s-eu-presidency/10

Doesn't seem vague to me. No proofs.

Edit: Just read last sentence. Yes, seems conflicting.

Renilo39

Has to be the second one. Can tell from colors of the ring and center, they are Not the same.

now just down to some translation of the certificate and evidence of a specific mintage.

But that doesn't mean the change request was against the second one.  If the referee rejected it because Proof already existed then the referee was rejecting it against the first one.

Then again, it might not have been a Change Request at all.  I had submitted this coin through the “contribute” link. Could have been to Register a past auction or to  Register an example of this type.  The OP hasn't really explained what he was doing.

Also, the OP could not have submitted a Change Request to add a new year line since the year lines of both are locked.

hello,

@rsirian1  agree with you we don’t know the content of the original request.

just saying that coin in pictures with the certificate is the coin list for non precious metal.

N#34839

Now it seems to be a circulating commemorative coin issued at 100,000 mint. “Including” proof numbered , without specific qty that in can see. 
@vapaaman you need to find this to state your case on next request.

as idolenz said coin on picture doesn’t look proof (depends on what we call Proof)

Not familiar with the Fin mint and their practices. could well be 100000 minted with let say 5000 first minted coins in a capsule + certificate sold at premium. 

that something we would call BU in France. « more shiny than other coin »

after few year could be hard to tell.

Proof for us would be BE « prestine issue «  different dies. Can see the difference many years later.

French mint will give a MAx mint for each « finish » but it has been many years that they don’t share actual mintage qty. so a 5000 mint plan might well be only 100 and no one knows .

good day everyone 

Here is a link to a store page showing the set. https://en.jncoins.com/product/2105/finland-coin-set-1999--proof--incl-10mk-the-eu-presidency-and-eu-summit-silver-jeton-144g-9251000

Idolenz

To me it doesn't look proof, the fields aren't really mirror like (at least from the photo) but the certificate says proof. Or does it say proof-like? May Finish is not really good.

It say Proof quality. The net is full of translators pages, but Finnish can be a challenge for them. The right side of the certificate is in Swedish.

rsirian1

It would help everybody to help you if you included a link to the coin you are asking about.  I'm assuming you are asking about this coin:

 

N#78010

 

If so, PROOF is already listed:

 

 

If you're asking about this coin:

 

N#34839

 

then you'll need to supply evidence that Proofs were actually made.

Yes the gold and silver proof listing DOES exist. But I'm guessing you did NOT look at the provide picture. If you had you would have seen on the gold and silver proof. The gold is on the outside circle and the silver on the inside. Just the opposite of the picture I provided. As for the rest. It is clearly stated in my first post that is the coin I'm talking about. Even though it is sans a link.

@Renilo39 The second post has a link to the original request. Which i reviewed and I can see that the picture with the coin and certificate did not get uploaded. Next time I will double check my requests. But I have sent an Email to the Finnish mint asking them to clarify more on this set. I included your message about BE and BU. Just in case they mislabeled it proof and not BE or BU.

One more thing. How would I put a value on the silver nonmonetary coin. The raw silver value is 11.30 euros.

vapaaman

@Renilo39 The second post has a link to the original request. Which i reviewed and I can see that the picture with the coin and certificate did not get uploaded. Next time I will double check my requests. 

Link brings to members personal request.

Your request are only visible by you. Other members cannot. 

 
below screenshot are mine.

I had just got a message back from the Finnish mint. I copy and paste the message. So it is a proof coin.

Dear Sir,

Sorry for the delay of the reply, the information search took some time.

According to old files, the maximum mintage of this proof set has been 3000 pcs. But same as in France that is mentioned below, the actualized mintage isn’t published, and it can be lower.

Best regards

Mint of Finland Customer Service