We currently follow SCWPM in having a single page for P#91a and b, despite P#91a being printed on green paper and P#91b being printed on white paper. We mention the different watermarks but ignore the colour of the paper. Can I suggest that we split them into separate pages?
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
If we start to split banknotes due to the colour of paper they were printed on, we will have to split a number of other baknotes based on this criteria, for example N#202207. This note will then have 3 pages. In addition, what would be the value add?
Thus I do not see the benifit of splitting this page, especially after I had to join pages, with different P# numbers, due to the only difference being the issue date and signatures.
Are we sure about the different paper colours for P#76? They just look like different degrees of dirt and lighting of the images to me. That said, if we're not going to split P#91, can we at least mention the different paper colours in the year lines?
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
If we start to split banknotes due to the colour of paper they were printed on, we will have to split a number of other baknotes based on this criteria, for example N#202207. This note will then have 3 pages. In addition, what would be the value add?
An image of a note held up to the light in order to display features such as the watermark will not necessarily display the colours of the note accurately. Generally the light source will have a significant effect. Yellow light will tend to produce a yellow colour cast – common with flatbed scanners. Subdued daylight tends to produce a blue colour cast. The severity of the colour cast can vary depending on the colour of the item - sometimes it is hardly noticeable, other times it can be severe.
These are common notes. A quick review of offerings on auction sites and ebay will likely indicate what the colour of the paper is.
If it is decided not to split by color of paper, and I think it should be, then it at least needs its own line showing the color pf the paper. The public needs to be able to catalog their notes.
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From my own notes, the green paper has the “G/D in stars” watermark and the white paper has the “wavy lines” watermark. If that is borne out across all notes, we need to add the colours of paper to the existing types, either on separate pages or in one.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
There are 15 different notes issued, printed by different companies. The paper colour varies from darkish green to a very light, almost white, green.
I do not see where we will draw the line if we start to split notes based on such small variants. Personally I have several of the P#91a, and even between them they vary in the degre of green.
There are 15 different notes issued, printed by different companies. The paper colour varies from darkish green to a very light, almost white, green.
I do not see where we will draw the line if we start to split notes based on such small variants. Personally I have several of the P#91a, and even between them they vary in the degre of green.
So I do nnot see a reason to split this page.
Philip
Are those colour varieties all for P#91a? The 15 notes you refer to are as follows:
P#91a: Printer's mark AD, AJ, AL, E, N, OE, OH, V
P#91b: Printer's mark AD, AJ, E, N, OE, OH, V
Thus, seven of the eight printers produced both types. The key questions are whether all P#91a are a shade of green and all P#91b are white? If so, we have the clear basis for a split into two, not 15. I completely agree that different shades of a colour or printers marks can't be used as the basis for a split.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
My reference books mention that the colours of the notes vary from a greenish colour to a very light green. So in effect they are ALL green.
My example of P#91b (identified by the wavy-line watermark) is printed on white paper. Can others check their collections and see if this is the case for their examples too?
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
Stato cambiato a Respinta(Jarcek, 2 Dic 2024, 09:49)
Apologies, I throught I answered. There is no reason to divide these pages, as the notes are al in various shades of green.
Philip
As I stated earlier, I have a note printed on white paper, not a shade of green. You can see an example of such a note here. The question is whether all notes of type P#91b (identified by the watermark) were printed on white paper. If so, a split is justified.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
I think I have an example of this note, will check it tomorrow, for colour of paper and watermark. If my note is an example of p91, I will post an image of it on this thread, with watermark pic [I haven't looked at that album in around a decade, so might have a slightly different note].
