What denomination should this have? [Risolto]

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Hello

 

Not an expert on countermarked coins but what denomination should this coin be listed as: 1⁄11 Réal (Countermarked 4 maravedis; key) - Jamaica – Numista

 

It currently has no denomination

 

Thanks

The obvious answer seems to be 1⁄11 Real. Do you believe the Comments section is incorrect?1⁄11

Nope just didn't know if that was real denomination and if so how many pounds/shillinhs/pence it is equivalent to… 

OK, I apologize for the quick response. I took another look. It's a mess.

 

The currency is Real (1655-1822), but the coin is dated ND (1582). There are two coins in Numista before 1758, this coin and a similar version with the same denomination. Jamaica was under the control of Spain until 1655, then under the England until 1707, then under the United Kingdom until independence.

 

All the coins in Numista between 1655 and 1822 were issued 1758-1773 (most 1758) and denominated in Pence, Shilling, and Pounds. Some are “6 Shillings 8 Pence - George II Mexico - 8 reales; counterstamped”. That puts 1 Real as 10 Pence.

 

Krause (1701-1800) says:

4 Farthings = 1 Penny
12 Pence = 1 Shilling
8 Reales = 6 Shillings, 8 Pence

There are two sets of coins in KM, 1758-1759 in Pence, Shilling, and Pounds and 1773 8 Escudos.  The 1773 are described in Numista as “5 Pounds Peru - 8 escudos; counterstamped”.

 

Next book has farthings, ½ pence, and pence starting 1869 (but the currency still mentioned Reales). Numista has Pound (1822-1969).

 

Krause lists nothing for Jamaica in 1601-1700. So no Real coins listed.

 

My proposal for currencies:

  • Real (1494-1655) (new date range) (no subdivisions)
  • Pound (1655-1969) (new date range) (4 Farthings = 1 Penny, 12 Pence = 1 Shilling, 20 Shillings = 1 Pound)
  • Dollar (1969-date) (unchanged)

 

The first banknotes were issued in 1822, but other than that I don't find anything significant happening to the currency or history of Jamaica or the UK in 1822.

If that proposal is agreed between you guys, we can implement.

 

Certainly seems to make more sense to have it be a British currency from 1655 (and not real) since all the coins are denominated that way.

tdziemia

If that proposal is agreed between you guys, we can implement.

 

Certainly seems to make more sense to have it be a British currency from 1655 (and not real) since all the coins are denominated that way.

 

 

Thank you @bjherbison for your considered research I agree all of this and therefore the currencies should be updated to:

 

  • Real (1494-1655) (new date range) (no subdivisions)
  • Pound (1655-1969) (new date range) (4 Farthings = 1 Penny, 12 Pence = 1 Shilling, 20 Shillings = 1 Pound)
  • Dollar (1969-date) (unchanged).

    Therefore, I just need to add 1/11 Real to the affected coins once the currency has been updated.

Now done.

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