5 Phennig, Germany 1918G - Composition/Alloy ?

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How certain are we that these coins are actually ‘’Zinc clad iron (Iron sheradised with zinc)'' ?

 

N#2587

 

I've just renovated a 1918G coin that was completely covered in rust and almost unrecognisable as a coin to find what appears to be a copper based metal.

Amateur coin collector with some tokens

Hi,

 

did you try the magnet test?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Yup - Magnetic.

 

BTW - Cleaned only with household cleaning vinegar - no other coins in with it.

Amateur coin collector with some tokens

Yours is definitely not copper. Your cleaning process may have discolored it. Why would anyone zinc coat copper? Zinc was used to protect the underlying iron if the coin got scratched but is much less corrosion resistant than copper.

I'm no metallurgist, but I do have a Master of Science Degree in Botanical Horticulture so I understand chemical composition.  I believe Iron does not contain Copper, so why does this coin show a copper colour as a base metal?  

 

Maybe someone who understands chemistry better than me can help answer this question?

Amateur coin collector with some tokens

There is no copper in those coins, only iron discoloured by environmental damage and cleaning.

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LDC63

I'm no metallurgist, but I do have a Master of Science Degree in Botanical Horticulture so I understand chemical composition.  I believe Iron does not contain Copper, so why does this coin show a copper colour as a base metal?  

 

Maybe someone who understands chemistry better than me can help answer this question?

You yourself proved it wasn't copper when you determined it was magnetic. There are a lot of red things in this world that aren't copper. What color is iron oxide (i.e. rust)?

Not so sure this looks like rust any more.

Amateur coin collector with some tokens

LDC63

Not so sure this looks like rust any more.

That you're probably right about. It's not a copper coin. Germany did not use copper for any coin from 1917 until 2024.

rsirian1

LDC63

Not so sure this looks like rust any more.

That you're probably right about. It's not a copper coin. Germany did not use copper for any coin from 1917 until 2024.

Except for the 2 pfennig 1950-1969

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rsirian1

LDC63

Not so sure this looks like rust any more.

That you're probably right about. It's not a copper coin. Germany did not use copper for any coin from 1917 until 2024.

Except for the 2 pfennig 1950-1969

oops…meant 1924. Actually 1923.

You say that the coin was covered in rust and that you used vinegar to clean it.

 

As a chemist, I would bet that you generated some iron (III) acetate on the surface of the coin during the cleaning process. Vinegar is acetic acid, and since the coin was very rusty, there were many ferric iron ions around, so you made some iron (III) acetate which is brownish-red (or reddish-brown, depending upon your preference). It is possible/likely that some of the iron (III) acetate adhered to (or coated) the surface of the coin. 

Thanks thoram2

 

Sounds like a plausible explanation to what appears to be something of an anomaly.

Amateur coin collector with some tokens

LDC63

How certain are we that these coins are actually ‘’Zinc clad iron (Iron sheradised with zinc)'' ?

 

N#2587

 

I've just renovated a 1918G coin that was completely covered in rust and almost unrecognisable as a coin to find what appears to be a copper based metal.

 

Those are definitely iron.

 

Aidan.

So your cleaning process did discolor it. Glad we now know how.

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