Seems Robot moderator is correcting catalog code wrongly. [Risolto]

I have noticed Robot is “correcting” TBB codes, but I think is mistakenly done.

Robot is deleting the “B” prefix of the codes, that TBB code have

I understand codes should be added just as showing on catalog; I agree the “B” as prefix is unnecessary, but is not our stuff to correct it.

I searched forum and rules but found nothing about this modification (not that I expected to find it), so, please let me know if Robot job is correct.

There are no A123 or C123 reference numbers, the B stands for the Banknote Book like the P for Pick but Numista uses TBB not B so repeating it doesn't make sense. The B is not wrong or in need to be corrected but simple redundant in the way Numista lists references.

Idolenz

There are no A123 or C123 reference numbers, the B stands for the Banknote Book like the P for Pick but Numista uses TBB not B so repeating it doesn't make sense. The B is not wrong or in need to be corrected but simple redundant in the way Numista lists references.

So, we are modifying the original codes. They use the “B” as prefix of code.

I totally agree the letter is redundant, as is used on every code I have seen so far, but in the improbable case they start using other prefix at any moment, we should need to add it again to all codes.

Is Ok for me not to use the prefix, just wanted to be sure it is approved and not a misunderstanding of the Robot moderator.

Thank you.

Should be consistent. Otherwise you'll either have to do two searches (with and without B) or start searched with *.

For me it is simply formatting.

The banknote book uses P123 for Pick numbers the Pick catalog uses only 123

and for their own it uses B123, Numista uses TBB# 123

Krause Mishler uses KM# 123 Numista uses KM# 123 (the formatting was taken from this catalog)

Other Catalogs might use XYZ - 123, Numista might use XII# 123 (in the case XYZ was already used).

By the way the reference code B is still available if you want to push for B# 123. Or do you want B# B123 🙃

Idolenz

For me it is simply formatting.

The banknote book uses P123 for Pick numbers the Pick catalog uses only 123

and for their own it uses B123, Numista uses TBB# 123

 

Krause Mishler uses KM# 123 Numista uses KM# 123 (the formatting was taken from this catalog)

Other Catalogs might use XYZ - 123, Numista might use XII# 123 (in the case XYZ was already used).

 

By the way the reference code B is still available if you want to push for B# 123. Or do you want B# B123 🙃

 

 

 

 

 

I must disagree, for you is simply formatting; for me is give accurate data. If you go to TBB page and search “Mexico B723”, you get the 100th. Anniversary note; if you search for “Mexico 723”, you will get 2 Mexican notes, and 1 East Caribbean note. I don't think it's the same.

Banknote Book uses “P”  to specify the catalog they are cross referencing, not that they say there is an extra P; of course, they should use P# and the code.

Krause Mishler uses KM# cause they use different code identifiers KM# for “normal” coins, “X” for unusual coins, “Y” for Venezuela, Russia and other countries; then  also they use prefixes like P for piedforts, MS for mint sets, PS for proof sets, Pn for patterns, BMS for Baby mint sets, BPS for Baby proof sets,  WSS for wedding specimen sets, Tn for tokens, and I must be forgetting some others. 

On their side Pick don't add “P#” before code, since they only have one code identifier, “P#”; in other words, every code is P#, that should be used for others when referencing Pick catalogs. Instead they have added capital prefix to the code in certain cases, like “S” for Specialized issues (private banks and institutions), “R” for regional issues, “M” for military issues, and FX for foreign exchange certificates. 

Therefore, for clear reference, is a good practice to add the letter(s) assigned to the catalog ("KM#", "P#", “TBB#”, "Schön#, etc.), then the code exactly as assigned by that catalog. This way, the user may know exactly what is the catalog mentioned and the code they assigned, without need to figure how we modify them, just to save on key press.

That's all good and nice but still a no from my side because the B stands for nothing but the catalog itself to distinguish from the P references it uses in tandem. It has no further function and an intelligent human being will be able to deduce that. The other prefixes have a function (okay all that set stuff is questionable if that is truly used).

I changed the Reference code from TBB to B

B was still available so in this case possible to change.

apuking

I changed the Reference code from TBB to B

B was still available so in this case possible to change.

The Reference code was not the problem; the problem is that Owen Linzmayer (The Banknote Book) give all codes starting with a “B”, but Robot is taking the letter off.

The change of code “TBB” to “B” does not solve the problem, if user searches for “B# B420”, as is shown on TBB catalog, will not find the page. I know users can figure that eliminating the “B” will work, but there is no reason to complicate things to them.

I understand the use of “B” at start of code is redundant, as all codes (as far as I know) start the same, but I don't know their reasons. Maybe they plan to add other items later…

Like explained multiple times it is just their name to distinguish them from the used Pick numbers.
It's simply the style choice they made that the letter and number are combined, the same with their Pick numbers (P123) … do you want now also add a P to all the Pick numbers we have P# P123, because that's how they are referenced in The Banknote Book?

@jarek  could you look i to why the Numista robot changes the letter at the start of the references leaving just the number?

there are also other books that use a reference system starting with a letter and then followed by a number but I did not see any issue there

Idolenz

Like explained multiple times it is just their name to distinguish them from the used Pick numbers.
It's simply the style choice they made that the letter and number are combined, the same with their Pick numbers (P123) … do you want now also add a P to all the Pick numbers we have P# P123, because that's how they are referenced in The Banknote Book?

No Sir, look Pick catalog, they don't use “P” as part of code of “common” notes; they only use other letters for special issues, like “S” for private banks (Specialized), “FX” for Foreign Exchange Certificates, and “X” for fantasy issues.

Now look TBB catalog. Can you see all their codes start with “B”? Look the screenshot I added before; I repeat, just in case didn't reach to you.

Now look TBB page, they use “B” as start of the code; in this case it is not "to distinguish them from the used Pick numbers", cause they are not mentioning the Pick number anywhere. See it for yourself.

I never asked to add “P” to Pick numbers; please stop trying to argue using sentences I never said or wrote. All I want is to use the EXACT code the catalog assign, nothing more, nothing less. 

As said before, I agree it is redundant, but we don't know why they decided to do that way. We must not assume a better way to do it, just copy what is there.

Now, if erasing the “B” of the code is a decision of Managers of Numista, I will follow it, after explaining my POV, so they know why I think it is not correct. 

I don't say anywhere that you said something I just make a comparisons and add your logic to similar use cases.

I don't assume anything and there is no obscure reason behind it … the B IS simply their name ‘Banknote Book’ in front of their reference number and they use the exact same formatting for the Pick numbers they use.

But we will never agree fully so further discussion are pointless.

I will still track this topic as in general this could become a problem with other references as well.

Montagu reference for example uses this kind of referencing:

Montagu# A1

Montagu# A2

Montagu# G5

Montagu# H15

just to show as an examle, in such cases the robot should not delete the letter in front of the reference number.

It's probably only the ones from this catalog, wouldn't make much sense otherwise because many other catalogs have real prefixes.