I also have this one I don’t know how rare it is but it’s from the same year N#133296
Wow thats very cool to have ancient roman coins bc i dont even have one 😅
You can find them in abundance, if they are not from an emperor with high demand, like Caesar, if they are bronze and in a good to poor state of conservation, you can find ungraded ones in the value range of 5 to 20 US dollars.
My oldest “coin” is this hand carved imitation cowrie from the State of Jin in the Western Zhou Dynast. Having been made between approximately 1046-771 BC, these ”protocoins” predate the earliest true coins by around a century at minimum, and over 4 centuries at max
My oldest “coin” is this hand carved imitation cowrie from the State of Jin in the Western Zhou Dynast. Having been made between approximately 1046-771 BC, these ”protocoins” predate the earliest true coins by around a century at minimum, and over 4 centuries at max
My oldest “coin” is this hand carved imitation cowrie from the State of Jin in the Western Zhou Dynast. Having been made between approximately 1046-771 BC, these ”protocoins” predate the earliest true coins by around a century at minimum, and over 4 centuries at max
Amazing! So a coin from before the first coins were made?
Depends on your definition of a coin! These are considered “proto-coins” by most experts, but some believe they were actually for funerary purposes and not trade. More research needs to be done before either side could be 100% accepted
Sorry for being so uneducated about the topic, but how do you confirm that shell money like this is genuine? What's the difference to a normal cowrie shell you can find at the beach?
Sorry for being so uneducated about the topic, but how do you confirm that shell money like this is genuine? What's the difference to a normal cowrie shell you can find at the beach?
Use own experience and eyesight.
These cowries, you need get by own hands, and then use the 2 points as I said to deduce is genuine or not.
Another suggestion is: Check the samples in museums.
Thousands years ago's cowrie always like quite dusty than a normal one.
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Dolphin coins, from modern day area around Odesa (Mikaliav) in Ukraine, I assume that they (the dolphins) would swim up the river from the Black Sea and amuse the humans. Last year many came on to the market and I managed to buy one, but I am slightly sceptical of the authenticity due to the easy way of production, ie a simple mould forming with molten metal pouring.
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Dolphin coins, from modern day area around Odesa (Mikaliav) in Ukraine, I assume that they (the dolphins) would swim up the river from the Black Sea and amuse the humans. Last year many came on to the market and I managed to buy one, but I am slightly sceptical of the authenticity due to the easy way of production, ie a simple mould forming with molten metal pouring.
Dolphin coins, from modern day area around Odesa (Mikaliav) in Ukraine, I assume that they (the dolphins) would swim up the river from the Black Sea and amuse the humans. Last year many came on to the market and I managed to buy one, but I am slightly sceptical of the authenticity due to the easy way of production, ie a simple mould forming with molten metal pouring.
Olbian dolphins are highly documented types, they definitely aren’t modern fantasies. This figure is one of my favorites, really shows how diverse these dolphins can be. I have examples of both type 7 and type 20:
Dolphin coins, from modern day area around Odesa (Mikaliav) in Ukraine, I assume that they (the dolphins) would swim up the river from the Black Sea and amuse the humans. Last year many came on to the market and I managed to buy one, but I am slightly sceptical of the authenticity due to the easy way of production, ie a simple mould forming with molten metal pouring.
Olbian dolphins are highly documented types, they definitely aren’t modern fantasies. This figure is one of my favorites, really shows how diverse these dolphins can be. I have examples of both type 7 and type 20:
To be clear, I was questioning the authenticity of mine, not @Offa s.
Only because so many become available at once, and I’m not questioning that they exist - they clearly do, but anyone who is capable of smelting metal and capable of producing a mould, must be capable of producing a dolphin mould of such simplicity? The only way to really tell is to get a carbon date or an XRF test knowing the exact metal composition used for bronze of 600bc, ie no trace elements of modern metals contaminating the test results.
Mine looks like 8 or 10 but has an extra dorsal fin above the eye.
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Dolphin coins, from modern day area around Odesa (Mikaliav) in Ukraine, I assume that they (the dolphins) would swim up the river from the Black Sea and amuse the humans. Last year many came on to the market and I managed to buy one, but I am slightly sceptical of the authenticity due to the easy way of production, ie a simple mould forming with molten metal pouring.
Olbian dolphins are highly documented types, they definitely aren’t modern fantasies. This figure is one of my favorites, really shows how diverse these dolphins can be. I have examples of both type 7 and type 20:
I have totally 12 of these Olbian dolphins. One of them got Greek word.
And I have 4 ancient Chinese fish coins.
But Numista doesn't have any catalog and information of these big fishes……
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Rome was not be built in 1 day only...
I am Rome, and Rome is me as well.
Dolphin coins, from modern day area around Odesa (Mikaliav) in Ukraine, I assume that they (the dolphins) would swim up the river from the Black Sea and amuse the humans. Last year many came on to the market and I managed to buy one, but I am slightly sceptical of the authenticity due to the easy way of production, ie a simple mould forming with molten metal pouring.
Olbian dolphins are highly documented types, they definitely aren’t modern fantasies. This figure is one of my favorites, really shows how diverse these dolphins can be. I have examples of both type 7 and type 20:
I have totally 12 of these Olbian dolphins. One of them got Greek word.
And I have 4 ancient Chinese fish coins.
But Numista doesn't have any catalog and information of these big fishes……
Very nice hoard you have there!
The reason Numista doesn’t have an entry for the Chinese fish is because they aren‘t coins. Very cool historical artifacts yes, but they have been recognized to be funerary offerings or grave goods, most plausibly coffin ornaments. Many call them “proto-coins” either as a selling gimmick or because they are unaware that these were reclassified, but they were certainly not a type of currency (alongside all of the other “Chinese proto-coins” like bridge and lightning bolt money).
Mine is still this coin, its so old, you can't even place what CENTURY it comes from, but a clue is that coin was already an antique when Julius Caesar and Jesus were alive.
A Carthaginian Tetra Unit - can date anytime between 400BC and 150BC, Numista likes to think its closer to the older end of that range.
Their example is a lot nicer made than mine, but mine is worn, weighs the same, same size etc.
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
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Mine is still this coin, its so old, you can't even place what CENTURY it comes from, but a clue is that coin was already an antique when Julius Caesar and Jesus were alive.
A Carthaginian Tetra Unit - can date anytime between 400BC and 150BC, Numista likes to think its closer to the older end of that range.
I try my best, but many other coins shown like the Olbian doplhins, Chinese spade money and cowries can be much older.
Then there are the truly Ancient Greek city states (One of my friends has a Hemiobol from about 500BC) and I have seen Darics from that era and even a Lydian stater from around 580BC.
It seems proper coins were a Iron Age invention as none are positively older than 640BC or so. Things like Egyptian amulet ingots, Chinese metal units, spade money, hoe money etc are all kind of proto money exchange tokens and are from the Bronze Age (China was Bronze age until around 300BC, the same time the holed cash coins begin to appear).
I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
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I founded my interest for numismatics yesterday, i founded several old coins that if founded as a 7 year old (i am now 13 years old). My oldest coin is 1 schilling from 1961. But my most special money is (2X) papermoney of 20 schilling from 1967.
I founded my interest for numismatics yesterday, i founded several old coins that if founded as a 7 year old (i am now 13 years old). My oldest coin is 1 schilling from 1961. But my most special money is (2X) papermoney of 20 schilling from 1967.
👍 love it, you are from the Netherlands? They used Guilders and cents before the Euro, is the money from Austria who used Shillings then? Coin could be British, as they had Pounds, Shillings and Pence pre decimalisation. As you are 13, and you already very good at English I will just correct you on the word founded - I founded a society, by doing so we laid the foundations for the society’s charter. Like foundations of a house. But with your money, you definitely found them.
Welcome to Numistra.
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I founded my interest for numismatics yesterday, i founded several old coins that if founded as a 7 year old (i am now 13 years old). My oldest coin is 1 schilling from 1961. But my most special money is (2X) papermoney of 20 schilling from 1967.
👍 love it, you are from the Netherlands? They used Guilders and cents before the Euro, is the money from Austria who used Shillings then? Coin could be British, as they had Pounds, Shillings and Pence pre decimalisation. As you are 13, and you already very good at English I will just correct you on the word founded - I founded a society, by doing so we laid the foundations for the society’s charter. Like foundations of a house. But with your money, you definitely found them.
Welcome to Numistra.
Thank you😁! Yes it is schilling from Austria, i don't know how my young me found those coins (i have plenty more Austrian money) and papermoney. My dad gave me today a Monacan 1 euro from 2020, only 1 087 017 copies were printed. My dad also gave me 2 Maltese 2 euros from 2013, those are only 4 500 000 times printed. My young me also got a token wich that your 16+ from 2004 so you could buy a pack of cigarettes from a cigarette vending machine, and i don't know how i gotted that token😅. My whole family does'nt even smoke. What are some of your most special coins, paper money or something else in that department.
I founded my interest for numismatics yesterday, i founded several old coins that if founded as a 7 year old (i am now 13 years old). My oldest coin is 1 schilling from 1961. But my most special money is (2X) papermoney of 20 schilling from 1967.
👍 love it, you are from the Netherlands? They used Guilders and cents before the Euro, is the money from Austria who used Shillings then? Coin could be British, as they had Pounds, Shillings and Pence pre decimalisation. As you are 13, and you already very good at English I will just correct you on the word founded - I founded a society, by doing so we laid the foundations for the society’s charter. Like foundations of a house. But with your money, you definitely found them.
Welcome to Numistra.
Thank you😁! Yes it is schilling from Austria, i don't know how my young me found those coins (i have plenty more Austrian money) and papermoney. My dad gave me today a Monacan 1 euro from 2020, only 1 087 017 copies were printed. My dad also gave me 2 Maltese 2 euros from 2013, those are only 4 500 000 times printed. My young me also got a token wich that your 16+ from 2004 so you could buy a pack of cigarettes from a cigarette vending machine, and i don't know how i gotted that token😅. My whole family does'nt even smoke. What are some of your most special coins, paper money or something else in that department.
Well that is good news, I do like getting random Euros in my change and collecting them from the countries as souvenirs when I visit. My oldest coin is this one; N#170810 and it is pretty cool as it is the only coin I have which is not a standard coin shape.
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I founded my interest for numismatics yesterday, i founded several old coins that if founded as a 7 year old (i am now 13 years old). My oldest coin is 1 schilling from 1961. But my most special money is (2X) papermoney of 20 schilling from 1967.
👍 love it, you are from the Netherlands? They used Guilders and cents before the Euro, is the money from Austria who used Shillings then? Coin could be British, as they had Pounds, Shillings and Pence pre decimalisation. As you are 13, and you already very good at English I will just correct you on the word founded - I founded a society, by doing so we laid the foundations for the society’s charter. Like foundations of a house. But with your money, you definitely found them.
Welcome to Numistra.
Thank you😁! Yes it is schilling from Austria, i don't know how my young me found those coins (i have plenty more Austrian money) and papermoney. My dad gave me today a Monacan 1 euro from 2020, only 1 087 017 copies were printed. My dad also gave me 2 Maltese 2 euros from 2013, those are only 4 500 000 times printed. My young me also got a token wich that your 16+ from 2004 so you could buy a pack of cigarettes from a cigarette vending machine, and i don't know how i gotted that token😅. My whole family does'nt even smoke. What are some of your most special coins, paper money or something else in that department.
Well that is good news, I do like getting random Euros in my change and collecting them from the countries as souvenirs when I visit. My oldest coin is this one; N#170810 and it is pretty cool as it is the only coin I have which is not a standard coin shape.
WOW, that coin is so fascinating. About your souvenirs, i am going to Cyprus this Christmas. They have sme interesting circulating coins i will say, they also have some special commemorative coins. Unfortanely they have no banknotes. Do you have tips foor the vacation?
This coin in 2500 years old.
