Duplicate Guldiner? [Risolto]

are these the same coin?

N#101467

N#198707

I mean, from just looking at the pages, one is a single „pattern“ coin and the other is the circulation version - there is also a slight weight difference. But it does look like one is the Pattern to the other, whether that constitutes being the same coin or being different coins I don’t know.

Slight weight difference?  Think you read them wrong.  29 g vs. 39.33 g.  The weight difference addressed in the comments, “Guldiner pattern minted with the weight of 1⅓ Guldiner.”

@rsirian1 thank you

variant HMZ: 2-162c should be thus deleted from N#101467

rsirian1

Slight weight difference?  Think you read them wrong.  29 g vs. 39.33 g.  The weight difference addressed in the comments, “Guldiner pattern minted with the weight of 1⅓ Guldiner.”

I did, I saw 32.33g during my cursory glance 😂

cippirimerlo

@rsirian1 thank you

 

variant HMZ: 2-162c should be thus deleted from N#101467

I'm not sure since I don't have that reference.  I agree that 2-162c is on both pages but which one is correct?  What would be the reference for the 1494 year line on N#101467 ?

So 162c should stay on N#101467 and be deleted from N#198707 ?

No actually I found GV 

which means

Weight variants: mintage in different weights exists

I would add Piedfort to 

N#198707

I agree.  Also, why woud a pattern be struck in the second year of issue?

I don't know one way or the other but I notice it has this reference Die Proben und Materialvarianten von Schweizer Münzen. There are 131 coins in Numista with a reference in this catalog all but 12 being patterns.