Copper – 12.58 g – ø 30.47 mm - DH# 31
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1791 UK 1/2 Penny Cheshire-Macclesfield/Charles Roe Copper works
Copper – 12.58 g – ø 30.47 mm - DH# 31
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Roy
Copper – 12.58 g – ø 30.47 mm - DH# 31
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces54606.html
Roy
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From the low countries, a 1791 stiver (the Dutch say 'stuiver') from Zeeland, a Dutch province of 'islands in the stream' (from the Rhine up north to the Schelde down south). These low denominations used to be coined in silver (0.58 fine) until the mid 19th century.
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UK 1790 1/2 Penny Warwickshire – Wilkinson
Copper – 14.64 g – ø 29.66 mm - DH# 386
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces52956.html
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Copper – 14.64 g – ø 29.66 mm - DH# 386
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces52956.html
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Belgian confederation, 1790, 2 Liards (insurrection coinage).
Joseph II, emperor of the Holy Roman Empire, was not beloved by the entire population of the Austrian Netherlands. His liberal ideas were opposed by the still very mighty clergy. His failure to open up the Schelde to facilitate trade through the Antwerp port were not appreciated by the merchant and craftmen class either. A rebellion surged in 1790 as Joseph II was in bad health. The few Austrian troops, after being unable to settle any external conflict with neighbouring revolutionary France or the Netherlands, could not deal with the rebellion either and had to withdraw.
Though short-lived, the temporary insurrection government council managed to restart coinage using its own design, but leaving the prior Austrian coinage system largely unchanged.
The reverse left has the text changed (but keeps using Latin for the legend)
The obverse changes the emperor for a heraldic lion, holding a staff with a hat on.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces3869.html
Joseph II, emperor of the Holy Roman Empire, was not beloved by the entire population of the Austrian Netherlands. His liberal ideas were opposed by the still very mighty clergy. His failure to open up the Schelde to facilitate trade through the Antwerp port were not appreciated by the merchant and craftmen class either. A rebellion surged in 1790 as Joseph II was in bad health. The few Austrian troops, after being unable to settle any external conflict with neighbouring revolutionary France or the Netherlands, could not deal with the rebellion either and had to withdraw.
Though short-lived, the temporary insurrection government council managed to restart coinage using its own design, but leaving the prior Austrian coinage system largely unchanged.
The reverse left has the text changed (but keeps using Latin for the legend)
The obverse changes the emperor for a heraldic lion, holding a staff with a hat on.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces3869.html
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UK 1789 ½ Penny Wicklow - Cronebane
Copper – 9.17 g – ø 25.58 mm - DH# 44
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces52795.html
Roy
Copper – 9.17 g – ø 25.58 mm - DH# 44
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces52795.html
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Cita: numismaticroyUK 1789 ½ Penny Wicklow - CronebaneAn excellent grade you've got there for your ½ Penny, Roy. Congrats.
Copper – 9.17 g – ø 25.58 mm - DH# 44
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces52795.html
Roy
A difficult choice for 1789 (soon there will be years with nothing to choose from). A quarter Kronenthaler has the same design as its larger brethern. You've seen a couple of those and I've got another Joseph II left: opting out on this one. My 1789 liard is completely worn out, that leaves me with an Utrecht duit (Dutch Republic). There were 8 duit to the stiver (stuiver in Dutch). Yet in the Dutch East Indies, there were only 4 'VOC' duit to the stiver. These 'VOC' duit coins were not legal tender in the Netherlands. The obverse on the right is upside-down, sorry.
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UK 1788 - 1 Penny Anglesey - Parys Mines Druid Penny Token
Copper – ø 34 mm DH#138
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces18006.html
Roy
Copper – ø 34 mm DH#138
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces18006.html
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1788-1 guinea the year the first ships landed in New South Wales.
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Kronenthaler 1788, minted in Kremnitz (mintmark B on the obverse). The edge reads 'Virtute et Exemplo' (By virtue and example), the personal motto of Joseph II, emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. The legends on the obverse and reverse were not altered by his successors.
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The Kronenthaler was the currency unit of the Holy Roman Empire, yet it was mainly used outside Austria and also as trade currency. The Kronenthaler had a 9 thaler footage (meaning 9 Kronenthalers were minted using the silver weight of the -standard- Cologne Mark).
The Konventionsthaler used in Austria had a thaler footage of 10. The popular '1780' Maria Theresia Thaler restrikes also are of this type.
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The Kronenthaler was the currency unit of the Holy Roman Empire, yet it was mainly used outside Austria and also as trade currency. The Kronenthaler had a 9 thaler footage (meaning 9 Kronenthalers were minted using the silver weight of the -standard- Cologne Mark).
The Konventionsthaler used in Austria had a thaler footage of 10. The popular '1780' Maria Theresia Thaler restrikes also are of this type.
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1787 UK - 1 Shilling - George III
Silver (.925) – 6.02 g – ø 25 mm - KM# 607
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces13154.html
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Silver (.925) – 6.02 g – ø 25 mm - KM# 607
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces13154.html
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Penang English East India Co. 1 cent piece
Apologies for the poor images but they are all I have right now when I get up I will take some
Better ones
Apologies for the poor images but they are all I have right now when I get up I will take some
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Ok I've taken more pics of it in better light but I need your opinions so I can change the pic in the catalogue as that was a poor attempt :(
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1786 Order of Malta - 10 Grani - Emmanuel de Rohan
Copper – ø 23 mm - KM# 300
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces36087.html
This will be my last entry for a week as I am away on holiday
Roy
Copper – ø 23 mm - KM# 300
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces36087.html
This will be my last entry for a week as I am away on holiday
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This is the only 1785 coin that I have so I thought I would put it on before disappearing for a week.
Roy
1785 Sadinia - 1 Soldo - Vittorio Amedeo III
Billon – 1.56 g – ø 20 mm - KM# 66
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces48577.html
Roy
1785 Sadinia - 1 Soldo - Vittorio Amedeo III
Billon – 1.56 g – ø 20 mm - KM# 66
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces48577.html
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German State "Jülich-Berg"; Quarter Stuber, 1784; Carl-Theodor.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces4702.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces4702.html
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Soooo, no-one had a 1783 for yesterday? Do we wait for a 1783 coin to show up?
There was some discussion around the year 1848 in this thread but no clear consensus.
Running the risk of breaking the rules I present:
Sweden 1 riksdaler 1782 Gustav III
Silver (.878), 29,25g, ø 41 mm.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces37578.html
Certainly one of the more colourful kings of Sweden.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_III
There was some discussion around the year 1848 in this thread but no clear consensus.
Running the risk of breaking the rules I present:
Sweden 1 riksdaler 1782 Gustav III
Silver (.878), 29,25g, ø 41 mm.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces37578.html
Certainly one of the more colourful kings of Sweden.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_III
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No 1781s?
I agree with Gwyde, posting Maria Theresia thalers isn't much fun and I couldn't tell an old version from a modern restrike anyway.
But I can show you this magnificent fake: magnetic, 18 grams, ø 36 mm, half the text missing and a reeded edge!
I bought it in a lot of authentic coins and the seller was embarrassed no end when I pointed out this one and gave me a substantial discount on the lot.
This is what the real deal should look like:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7393.html
Here is one write-up I like:
http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200301/tales.of.a.thaler.htm
I agree with Gwyde, posting Maria Theresia thalers isn't much fun and I couldn't tell an old version from a modern restrike anyway.
But I can show you this magnificent fake: magnetic, 18 grams, ø 36 mm, half the text missing and a reeded edge!
I bought it in a lot of authentic coins and the seller was embarrassed no end when I pointed out this one and gave me a substantial discount on the lot.
This is what the real deal should look like:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7393.html
Here is one write-up I like:
http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200301/tales.of.a.thaler.htm
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From time to time I sell some coins on Ebay make sure to follow me @apuking on Ebay.
From time to time I sell some coins on Ebay make sure to follow me @apuking on Ebay.
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1883 Prussia - 1/24 Thaler - Friedrich II
Silver (.222) – 2.07 g – ø 19 mm KM# 296
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces18155.html
I've been away for a week and notice that no one posted a 1783 so I have put one on out of sequence just to make the chain complete
Roy
Silver (.222) – 2.07 g – ø 19 mm KM# 296
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces18155.html
I've been away for a week and notice that no one posted a 1783 so I have put one on out of sequence just to make the chain complete
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1780 - 1 Duit Utrecht
Copper – 3 g – ø 22 mm - KM# 111
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces6585.html
Roy
Copper – 3 g – ø 22 mm - KM# 111
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Its a restrike, but I will add it anyway 
1780 - 1 Thaler - Maria Theresia
1780 - 1 Thaler - Maria Theresia "The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom." ― Isaac Asimov
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1779 - 1 Duit Zeeland
Copper – ø 22 mm - KM# 152
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7593.html
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Copper – ø 22 mm - KM# 152
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7593.html
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1778 Hamburg - 1 Schilling Courant - Josef II
Silver (.375) – 1.08 g - KM# 456
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces40976.html
Very worn but it is the only 1778 coin that I have, but I have posted it to keep the chain going.
Hopefully someone will have a better example of a 1778 coin.
Roy
Silver (.375) – 1.08 g - KM# 456
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces40976.html
Very worn but it is the only 1778 coin that I have, but I have posted it to keep the chain going.
Hopefully someone will have a better example of a 1778 coin.
Roy
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Denmark 2 Skilling 1778 Christian VII
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1777 Austrian Netherlands - 2 Liards / 2 Oorden - Maria Theresa
Copper – 7.5 g – ø 27 mm - KM# 29
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces25231.html
Roy
Copper – 7.5 g – ø 27 mm - KM# 29
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces25231.html
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Austrian Netherlands, Liard/Oord 1777 Maria Theresia (elderly veiled head)
Copper, 22 mm, 3.75g, KM# 28
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces8750.html
The multi-million mintages from 1749-1752 satisfied the demand for small copper change during decades. Only from 1776 onward, new liards were minted with an elderly Maria Theresia on the obverse. There were 216 liards to the Kronenthaler. The liard was worth about a farthing.
Copper, 22 mm, 3.75g, KM# 28
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces8750.html
The multi-million mintages from 1749-1752 satisfied the demand for small copper change during decades. Only from 1776 onward, new liards were minted with an elderly Maria Theresia on the obverse. There were 216 liards to the Kronenthaler. The liard was worth about a farthing.
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1776 Brazil - 40 Réis - José I Countermarked 20 Réis, KM#175.1
Copper – 14.5 g – ø 35.7 mm - KM# 280
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces48390.html
The host coin is dated 1776 so I have bent the rules and submitted it
Roy
Copper – 14.5 g – ø 35.7 mm - KM# 280
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces48390.html
The host coin is dated 1776 so I have bent the rules and submitted it
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Welcome back Fourmack. I thought you would be placing the farthing on so I went for the halfpenny.
Roy
1775 UK - ½ Penny - George III
Copper – 6.3 g – ø 27 mm - KM# 601
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces5335.html
Roy
1775 UK - ½ Penny - George III
Copper – 6.3 g – ø 27 mm - KM# 601
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces5335.html
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I've got four coins from the 1770's in my collection, but they only cover the years 1774 and 1777.
Roy facilitated my choice last Tuesday by posting the 2 liard.
Now I need to choose between a Maria Theresia Kronenthaler and a Bavarian Madonnenthaler. We haven't seen any of those yet, so I go for the 1774 Madonnenthaler:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces14906.html
Obverse: Bust of Joseph Maximilian III facing right
Reverse: Madonna with child Jesus, lettering "PATRONA BAVARIAE"
(click the images to enlarge)
Adjustment marks on the reverse (on the skirt of the Madonna)
Roy facilitated my choice last Tuesday by posting the 2 liard.
Now I need to choose between a Maria Theresia Kronenthaler and a Bavarian Madonnenthaler. We haven't seen any of those yet, so I go for the 1774 Madonnenthaler:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces14906.html
Obverse: Bust of Joseph Maximilian III facing right
Reverse: Madonna with child Jesus, lettering "PATRONA BAVARIAE"
(click the images to enlarge)
Adjustment marks on the reverse (on the skirt of the Madonna)
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1774 Brazil - 20 Réis - José I thin parallels on globe
Copper - KM# 175
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces18862.html
Roy
Copper - KM# 175
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces18862.html
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1774 - India Mughal Empire - Shah Alam II (Shahjahanabad mint)
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1773 UK - John Wilkes Token
Copper – 5.56 g – ø 25.47 mm - TC# 394275
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces63429.html
Roy
Copper – 5.56 g – ø 25.47 mm - TC# 394275
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces63429.html
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Germany (Bavaria) 1 Thaler (Madonnentaler) 1773-A Maximilian III Joseph
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces14906.html
Gwyde posted a much nicer Madonnenthaler yesterday so this one is kind of pointless.
But, what about these adjustment marks on the reverse?
I just find it hard to fathom that they weighed each newly minted coin, found some overweight, and then put a great big file to this beautiful surface and just scraped the excess off! Truly brutal!
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces14906.html
Gwyde posted a much nicer Madonnenthaler yesterday so this one is kind of pointless.
But, what about these adjustment marks on the reverse?
I just find it hard to fathom that they weighed each newly minted coin, found some overweight, and then put a great big file to this beautiful surface and just scraped the excess off! Truly brutal!
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1772 France - ½ Sol - Louis XV 3rd portrait
Copper – 6 g – ø 25 mm - DY# 1700
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces4945.html
Roy
Copper – 6 g – ø 25 mm - DY# 1700
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces4945.html
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1771 Denmark - 1 Skilling - Christian VII
Copper – 11.7 g – ø 30 mm - KM# 616
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces958.html
Roy
Copper – 11.7 g – ø 30 mm - KM# 616
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces958.html
Roy
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If I counted right, today is 1768
1768 (No Date - 1 Year Subtype) - 4 Mon - Japan [Empress Go-Sakuramachi]
1768 (No Date - 1 Year Subtype) - 4 Mon - Japan [Empress Go-Sakuramachi]
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I agree with you 
"Celui qui combat des monstres doit prendre garde à ne pas devenir monstre lui-même. Si tu contemples longtemps un abîme, l’abîme aussi regarde en toi." N.
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In order to make a decent link with Roy's fresh thread, we still owe some missing years. It took me a while to buy a 1770 coin. I received it today. The coin is a (low fineness) 1770 silver schilling from the region Mecklenburg-Schwerin in Germany. It only has the name in common with a British shilling: the coin is very thin and rather small (18 mm) for a weight of 1.08 g.
It can be found in Numista at: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces15837.html
The first time ever I buy a coin in function of the year of issue and probably also the last purchase ever to complete a thread...
And by the way: I'm not even thinking about continuing this thread competing with Roy. If anyone feels a vocation to post a 1769 coin, he may do so. There's some lousy 1769 copper in my collection I still need to take a picture of. If ever we carry on to 1767, let's rename the thread "Mission accomplished"
It can be found in Numista at: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces15837.html
The first time ever I buy a coin in function of the year of issue and probably also the last purchase ever to complete a thread...
And by the way: I'm not even thinking about continuing this thread competing with Roy. If anyone feels a vocation to post a 1769 coin, he may do so. There's some lousy 1769 copper in my collection I still need to take a picture of. If ever we carry on to 1767, let's rename the thread "Mission accomplished"
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A great Dutch 2 stiver coin, Kelly. This type is what's called "wapenstuiver", I presume?
I only have a 1769 'duit' from the island-province to add to this:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces8574.html
The lettering on the obverse should read: "Luctor et emergo" (freely translated: I struggle and keep afloat); it almost is worn off.
On this particular coin (1766-1792) the province name 'Zelandia' is consistently spelled with a single 'e'.
I only have a 1769 'duit' from the island-province to add to this:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces8574.html
The lettering on the obverse should read: "Luctor et emergo" (freely translated: I struggle and keep afloat); it almost is worn off.
On this particular coin (1766-1792) the province name 'Zelandia' is consistently spelled with a single 'e'.
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1768 Cologne - 4 Heller
Copper - KM# 440
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces17491.html
This completes the sequence. A new strand has been started from 1767 backwards
Roy
Copper - KM# 440
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces17491.html
This completes the sequence. A new strand has been started from 1767 backwards
Roy
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