Inscription on Portuguese coins

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some Portuguese coins have inscriptions that are hard to identify
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces907.html
on the obverse is clearly SIMOES (the engraver), and then there are some "holes" in the coin that could be some letters or not.
the coin sheet said the lettering was "SINGE DE60G" which doesn't look very trustworthy :`
I changed the clearly wrong SINGE to SIMOES and put some question marks after "DE60G" - rejected!
I changed the clearly wrong SINGE to SIMOES and did not change "DE60G" - validated!
now it looks as if "DE60G" were a trustworthy fact B. (Google negative)
(judging from the scan, it could just also say "PEGO Go")
Oh uhh sorry about the confusion,

I was blazing through your verifications. It's a rule to never have ??s in an inscription on Numista, so I had to turn them down.

Please have any coin picture with the Portuguese Coat of Arms on the obverse. The obverse should have the shield.
Kenny

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I have a digital microscope (hand-held and cost about $30) which has a USB cable and is great for coin close-ups. I used it various times on here already (Australian edge errors, and Spanish mule, etc) and today took a quick picture of a beautiful portrait Portugal 50 Centavos 1964 that I have. On the left is SIMOES and on the right is REGO GR assuming that is what you are asking. Hope I read them correctly - have a look ...

                                                
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
Just as a double-check I have the same coin but from 1957 and that says REGO GR as well ...

                                                
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
You read them well!

If you would like to make the change yourself, do so. I'll be waiting to verify your request.
Kenny

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https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces991.html

 I changed both pages (the original query of 1 Escudo, and my coin of 50 Centavos). Thanks :)
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
thank you for making this clear

so "Rego Gr." means "Gravador: Alves do Rego" :wiz:

Cita: SmartOneKgPlease have any coin picture with the Portuguese Coat of Arms on the obverse. The obverse should have the shield.
ah, this is what I was thinking when I wrote that some people regard the most prominent country insignia or name alsways as obverse of a coin. Then Makake77 said that here the value is always regarded as reverse, except where the value is on one side with the coat-of-arms. So is this one of this case?


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there's a sign on these coins that looks a bit like ncn
any idea what this is?
Thank you for everything so far Androl.

Makake is partially right. The "Coat of Arms," such as that of most of North Korean, Portuguese and colonial Brazilian, and several other countries coins' should usually be on the obverse. However, the leader of a country should almost always be on the obverse. The tough call comes with Nepalese and Japanese coinage. Emperors Heisei and Showa should be on the reverse because they are not put in any way as important on coinage; but rather to indicate the year. Several Nepalese coins have a "Socialist" Coat of Arms, which should always be on the obverse.

What should almost always always be on the obverse is a head, leader or not. This example with the engraver name is not a perfect example for the Coat of Arms. It would be asking if the US Half Dollar should have the Coat of Arms on the obverse and the Kennedy head on the reverse. However, there are many commemoratives, such as those ones issued by Portugal that have a commemoration of a figure, with a head on the reverse and a Coat of Arms on the obverse.

They are just general rules. I usually disagree with the value always being on the reverse because it is more than seldom not true.
Kenny

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Cita: androlthank you for making this clear  so "Rego Gr." means "Gravador: Alves do Rego"  
next one: there's a sign on these coins that looks a bit like ncn  any idea what this is?
It is lower case joined-up  INCM  as the second picture below shows (luckily in capital letters) from a 200 Escudo coin. I have nine different denomination Portugal coins, and I took a picture from each, and in some there is a dot over the first  n  of  ncn  which makes it a joined  i  n  and the second  n  has a tail that goes backwards to join the  c  so is a fancy  m  letter - I am guessing all that.
 As to what INCM stands for, not sure. Three coins of mine, instead of ncn on them, do have  ...
     50 Centavos 1979 has M NORTE
       5 Escudos 1985 has M. NORTE SCULP.
    100 Escudos 1991 has JOSÉ CANDIDO (just seen this coin has ncn as well)
so perhaps N could be Norte or C could be Candido. Hope all that and the pictures help!  :)

                     
Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins
Cheers
ZacUK

You are right about your assumptions. Those engravings do stand for INCM which stands for Imprensa Nacional Casa da Moeda that can be translated to National Press and Mint. Its the Portuguese national institute that issues legal tender and commemorative coinage, banknotes, security prints and official documents like ID cards and passports. It's also responsible for the edition of Diário da República (Republic's Diary) which is the publications of all Portuguese law, and other official documents.

M NORTE stands for Marcelino Norte de Almeida (name of the engraver)
JOSÉ CANDIDO is the name of the engraver
SCULP. stands for Escultor (engraver). The abbreviation is based on the etymological origin of the portuguese word "escultor" which is the latin word "sculptor". Actually escultor does not normally translate to engraver, it normally means sculptor. But in the context of coinage the correct translation is engraver.

Hope I have been of some help.
By the way I am Portuguese so any questions relating to translation or deciphering inscriptions I will be glad to help out.

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