As per the conversation in the other thread https://en.numista.com/forum/topic41741.html There is some disagreement about the format of the competition, so please vote on your preferred format.
Round robin competition: This is the current format for the competition. Two coins are put up at a time and you vote for your favourite. The winner progresses to the next round and so on until a winner from each section is found. The winning coin from each section moves onto the grand final. Competition length - around 20 weeks
Pool system: All entries are divided into 4-6 pools and you vote for your favourite. The favourite from each pool moves to the section final and then a grand final of the section winners finds the overall winner. Competition length - around 6-8 weeks
Rating system: All the entries for the section are put up at once and you rate them from 1 being favourite up to 20 for least favourite. The top three coins go through to section final, then grand final for section winners. Competition length - 3 weeks (Bam and Muenzenhamster, let me know if I have misinterpreted the format you have proposed)
Maybe two rounds of each category could be posted each week.
this would reduce competition time by almost half.
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I'll leave the thread up for another week, but the assertion that it was a fact that most people are unhappy with the length of the competition is looking pretty shakey.
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I think the length of the contest wasn't that much of a reason that many voters were lost.
I guess the most voters were people who also entered coins into the contest and as it progressed and coins lost their owners were less inclined to further vote because they couldn't win something.
(Maybe make a small price for continued voting for users that did not win any category.
You don't have to vote all the time and all categories, people have lives outside of Numista like often stated ... but how much of the contest you have to vote at the end I don't know ... I'm just formulating an idea)
I think the length of the contest wasn't that much of a reason that many voters were lost.
I guess the most voters were people who also entered coins into the contest and as it progressed and coins lost their owners were less inclined to further vote because they couldn't win something.
(Maybe make a small price for continued voting for users that did not win any category.
You don't have to vote all the time and all categories, people have lives outside of Numista like often stated ... but how much of the contest you have to vote at the end I don't know ... I'm just formulating an idea)
I agree, maybe a small prize for people that voted in every round, no exception, could win a small prize.
Cita: "Muenzenhamster"first of all, i posted percentages which are unrepugnable facts.
in every other tournament normally the final gets more attention than the qualification rounds. its not the case in numista-tournament. why?
Someone once said there are three types of lies in the world: Lies, damn lies, and statistics
The reason there were less votes for the finals was because they were up for a shorter length of time. The semifinals were posted on the 24th July, the finals posted just 3 days later on the 2th July and the winner announced on the 29th. That is Something me need to change for the coming round.
As for the current system being boring, it's the same format as the tennis grand slams, you don't see anyone complaining that they're boring. I think you just have a personal bugbear with the current system and you're projecting your displeasure as coming from the rest of the Numista community.
I think the length of the contest wasn't that much of a reason that many voters were lost.
I guess the most voters were people who also entered coins into the contest and as it progressed and coins lost their owners were less inclined to further vote because they couldn't win something.
(Maybe make a small price for continued voting for users that did not win any category.
You don't have to vote all the time and all categories, people have lives outside of Numista like often stated ... but how much of the contest you have to vote at the end I don't know ... I'm just formulating an idea)
I agree, maybe a small prize for people that voted in every round, no exception, could win a small prize.
Why not a round and a price for the runners-up of each category ?
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Cita: "Muenzenhamster"first of all, i posted percentages which are unrepugnable facts.
in every other tournament normally the final gets more attention than the qualification rounds. its not the case in numista-tournament. why?
Someone once said there are three types of lies in the world: Lies, damn lies, and statistics
The reason there were less votes for the finals was because they were up for a shorter length of time. The semifinals were posted on the 24th July, the finals posted just 3 days later on the 2th July and the winner announced on the 29th. That is Something me need to change for the coming round.
As for the current system being boring, it's the same format as the tennis grand slams, you don't see anyone complaining that they're boring. I think you just have a personal bugbear with the current system and you're projecting your displeasure as coming from the rest of the Numista community.
spot the difference:
In a grand slam only a few top-notch players are competing, numista every one.
duration wimbledon 2 weeks, numista 5! months.
i am not saying that not every coin cant compete but eliminate the bad ones before the serious votings happen. And please keep in the back your head, the main judge left the contest once because it was boring and tenacious.
and what is an other major flaw:
only a even number of submissions can compete with the current 1vs1 system. that loopholes with the other rumour, that promising candidates were "left out-forgotten-not considered-rejected" in previous competitions
I think part of the problem is the fact that many MPCC participants feel that the contest is simply an opportunity to get free coins, not a fun contest where we can see and vote on nice coins.
However, every member should have an equal chance to participate, and it isn't boring to see what people consider to be their best coins. MPCC III was not boring, and if the Numista website would have worked for me I would have kept posting rounds till the end. Yes, we had a lot more European coins than coins of other categories, but I hopefully remedied that with a new rule.
Regardless, it is obvious what the Numista community wants, and making up exaggerated statistics doesn't fool anyone.
Cita: "Muenzenhamster"and what is an other major flaw:
only a even number of submissions can compete with the current 1vs1 system. that loopholes with the other rumour, that promising candidates were "left out-forgotten-not considered-rejected" in previous competitions
No coins were rejected, some coins were just bumped up randomly.
Please stop being so cynical, your idea is going nowhere.
For goodness sake, as always, you're just acting as a troll
first you say "eliminate the bad ones before the serious votings happen" and the very next post you're complaining that coins were "left out-forgotten-not considered-rejected"
Who decides what is bad and what is not? The people decide, that's what the whole competition is about. Look at the Mexico coin that picked up the grand prize. Many were complaining that it won because it was a cheap coin. If they had been in charge of "eliminating the bad ones" then it might not have even made it into the competition. The competition is open to everyone and people can submit whatever they want. As with Wimbledon the bad ones usually get knocked out in the first couple of rounds, and I think everything that made the finals deserved to be there, they were all beautiful coins.
As for only an even number being able to compete, that is rubbish. If there is an uneven number you just put one coin directly through to round two. So simple even my 7 year old son could work it out.
isnt it fishy that always seemingly an even number of coins is submitted??
who would decide which coin can skip the inital round? your son??
on which criteria will it be based on??
your mexican coin can win in any tournamentmodus if the majority considers it popular.
my statistics where not exaggerated. anyone may draw their calculators and proof me wrong.
@dptashny concerning missing coins:
January 30, 2014, 05:54AM check that submission in your postbox. why was it "forgotten"?? besides of being a coin, which requirements where not met?? i also know frome some others that their coin didnt appear mystically.
thanks now everybody knows my coins i wanted to submit.
good thing is the audience sees what a real prick and liar you are. Is this a photoshopcontest or a coincontest??
If my submission was wrong, why wasnt it rejected earlier? Why was i told to crop or chop them??? As the contest took 5 months there was sure no possibility to have my coins set until the pictures required your silly demands???
And most important: why didnt you just stay offline as you did before???
isnt it fishy that always seemingly an even number of coins is submitted??
who would decide which coin can skip the inital round? your son??
on which criteria will it be based on??
your mexican coin can win in any tournamentmodus if the majority considers it popular.
my statistics where not exaggerated. anyone may draw their calculators and proof me wrong.
@dptashny concerning missing coins:
January 30, 2014, 05:54AM check that submission in your postbox. why was it "forgotten"?? besides of being a coin, which requirements where not met?? i also know frome some others that their coin didnt appear mystically.
1. No, you wouldn't notice If a coin had been advanced to the second round unless you memorized every coin in the first round.
2. We stated in the discussion before the previous competition started that it was up to the discretion of the organizer which coin would go through, if a sub standard coin was selected then it would just be voted out
3. See above, the organizer could use any criteria they liked.
4. Exactly, that's the whole point of the competition, and that's the reason why no "bad" coins should be eliminated before voting. Nobody can know the minds of all of Numista, You don't know which coins will be voted for and which won't. You plainly showed that nobody can know the minds of all the Numista members when you said the majority of numista didn't like the current format. That has been proven incorrect.
5. Your statistics were not incorrect, but the quote about lies, damn lies and statistics is meant to point out that you can make statistics say anything you want to. by neglecting to say that the finals were run over 2 days rather than the full 7-8 that the rounds were run over, of course you can claim that not as many people voted. But if they had gone the full 7-8 days then you would likely find that we would get the same amount of votes that we have right through the competition, the voting was very consistent, around 25-30 votes in each round right from beginning to end.
Alright, it's pretty obvious that the current format is by far the most popular, I'll still leave this post up so you can have your say, but from now on I'm just going to be ignoring the Hamster who is obviously just a little bitter about something and wants to stir up trouble. Only votes for the preferred system will be given attention. Speaking of which, the sponsor of system number 3 still hasn't cast a vote yet, just bitching and complaining.
dptashny still should be banned from upholding this contest.
he posted my submission even tough i clearly stated i want to submit them again just to annoy me. the photoshopmaster could have least blurred out the links.
Sad that a miserable behaviour by letting all the competitors down by just going offline is unsanctioned and he is given again the possibilty to leave the contest in a mess.
Just to clarify some points mentioned: All entries sent to me did enter this MPCC.
For knowing which coins competes against which, Each coin received a number chosen alphabetically from user names then the coins who made it through the next round first received a new number starting from 1, to know which coin goes against which I simply used the website random.org which selected randomly the coins. For uneven numbers (happened quite a few times) the last coin left made it through to the next round. This system leaves a complete randomness (not sure thats a correct word to the whole system.
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@apuking besides of the discussed length absolutly nobody complained about the last contest. In fact, it was the best accomplished tournament uptodate. ?
@all just to clarify, good thing that u can see what an complete di*k this dptashny really is. He purposly let out my coins since of his prior failed scam attempt trying to trick me out of 100$ worth of coins and is now hiding behind obscure rules which he construes how he wants. Keep in mind, that idi*t harrassed me to crop my pictures even tough i clearly had no clue in photoshop. After somehow managing to comply to his crap there was no answer.
Even now, he purposely exposed my submissions even tough i clearly stated i would enter them again.
Its a shame that he didnt stay offline and is now back simulating to be our saviour which he clearly isnt.
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#1: prefer traditional version, but agree with suggestions of more duels by week. Anyway Europe restrictions are enough to reduce the most slowing category (just watch MPCC IV to see Europe was still over-represented)
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Even though I have a history of drawing very tough opponents in head to head votes. :D
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