Multiple pictures [Risolto]

• You can store an image of your own coin, and you would be able to see all your very own coins.
  
• More picture on a coin's page is interesting to identify small variants, see the different mintmarks, see different states of conservation, etc.
  

Cita: "Xavier"

1. You can store an image of your own coin, and you would be able to see all your very own coins.
   
2. More picture on a coin's page is interesting to identify small variants, see the different mintmarks, see different states of conservation, etc.
   

Cita: "imreh"​I guess it would be the referees responsibility to judge whether the picture adds value to understand the coin or not.

I still use UCOIN for the exact same reason and that'sa pity …

Too much room needed for nothing. Please use the comments sections for variants. Why would we need the images of the same coin multiple times?

I think it may be interesting feature for some medieval or ancient coins where we may have some different variants of the same Numista types… Also it may be an option to add pictures to year lines. But comment section is also possible for showing the differences

Sjoelund

Too much room needed for nothing. Please use the comments sections for variants. Why would we need the images of the same coin multiple times?

Sometimes issues from different years can differ quite a bit also you have proof that a year exists.

As promised in a different Thread:  https://en.numista.com/forum/topic140945.html#p1129413 , this is a mock-up of what I envision for Numista's website in the future. 

After you do an item search and select the item in question, it will take you to a page shown below.  This page has either three tabs or buttons on its name:  Attributes, Gallery, and Talk.  It is up to the Referee to enable the Gallery and Talk page.  

The Gallery Page has a Search Filters functionality and “Photo View” or “Photo with Details  View”    The Photos only shows the Obv, Rev, Copyright Image information, Numista #, weight, diameter, and date.   This layout was inspired by Oswal Antiques.  

If you click on the image, it will get bigger and encompass the screen it will then show past Auction information along with Special Notes.   It would be sweet to be able to add active links that will take you to the auction website showing the item as well. 

To see the Talk Page view this thread: https://en.numista.com/forum/topic64065.html

This mock-up does not go into the itty gritty - this is just a birds-eye view from looking down per se.  So tell me what you think. I look forward to the comments. 

I updated the mock-up design.  I added more features and fixed some oversights. 

Can't we add the 3 threads into one?

Sjoelund

Can't we add the 3 threads into one?

I do not understand what you mean.  

It's now possible to add multiple examples of a type in the catalogue 🎉

This will be nice to illustrate different varieties, conservation states, alterations, fake items, strike qualities, strike areas, etc. and simply more examples. 

The examples bring not only more pictures, but also additional data like weight, size, axis and archeological context.

A preliminary guide for referees has been published: https://en.numista.com/help/how-do-referees-validate-examples-208.html

We will adjust based on usage.

Can we add cosponsoring degrees to the die rotation?

1h | 30° | ↑↗

2h | 60° | ↑↗

3h | 90° | ↑→

4h | 120° | ↑↘

5h | 150° | ↑↘

6h | 180° | ↑↓ _{^{(Coin orientation)}}

7h | 210° | ↑↙

8h | 240° | ↑↙

9h | 270° | ↑←

10h | 300° | ↑↖

11h | 330° | ↑↖

12h | 0° | ↑↑ _{^{(Medal orientation)}}

A possibility would also to replace 12h by zero hour and move it to the top: 0h | 0° | ↑↑ _{^{(Medal orientation)}} 

Looks a bit odd but 360° die rotation or a Zero following a 330 does too and being one of the most common ones you would not need to scroll all to the bottom.

Are there also plans to be able to select a representative picture for each year line from the ones available?
Maybe something like this or similar function where when you click on the icon the picture enlarges like on the page main picture.

I think the view is bugged on mobile:

Die rotation
I rarely see rotation in degrees to describe die rotations, and neither 0h for medal orientation. I believe the current display is fine.

Pictures in the year line table
Yes, we will add a way to see pictures for each line of the year line table in the future.

Mobile view
We will fix this.

I translating this to Spanish…

I see the word used in English is “example”, and in French is “exemplaire”. I will use the French word, in Spanish: “ejemplar”.

According to WordReference, (FR) examplaire can translate to English as “specimen” (I think in better than “example”, but I am not an expert English-speaker!).

davidhs

I translating this to Spanish…

 

I see the word used in English is “example”, and in French is “exemplaire”. I will use the French word, in Spanish: “ejemplar”.

 

According to WordReference, (FR) examplaire can translate to English as “specimen” (I think in better than “example”, but I am not an expert English-speaker!).

Pattern / Probe / Prueba / Essay / (Exemplaire)

We chose the word “example” rather than “specimen” in English because “specimen” can have other meanings in numismatics (a specific finish or some sort of trial or presentation coin) and we wanted to avoid ambiguity.

Sjoelund

davidhs

I translating this to Spanish…

 

I see the word used in English is “example”, and in French is “exemplaire”. I will use the French word, in Spanish: “ejemplar”.

 

According to WordReference, (FR) examplaire can translate to English as “specimen” (I think in better than “example”, but I am not an expert English-speaker!).

Pattern / Probe / Prueba / Essay / (Exemplaire)

There are many false friends between languages!
 

Xavier

We chose the word “example” rather than “specimen” in English because “specimen” can have other meanings in numismatics (a specific finish or some sort of trial or presentation coin) and we wanted to avoid ambiguity.

True!

In Spanish we have “ejemplar” and “espécimen”, more or less synonyms,

• (ES) “ejemplar” can be used like (FR) “exemplaire”
• (ES) “espécimen” = (EN) “specimen” (e.g.  your example links, or a banknote specimen)

I found this in English, maybe it can help: example vs sample

Would this also feature minor variations found on coins such as privy marks?

Worldwide collection

Would this also feature minor variations found on coins such as privy marks?

All depending, what members enter as images, right?

Sjoelund

Worldwide collection

Would this also feature minor variations found on coins such as privy marks?

All depending, what members enter as images, right?

Yep and considering the addition of images for each yearline (Which has been discussed before) that might be the correct place to have the images of the privy marked coins. 

Xavier

It's now possible to add multiple examples of a type in the catalogue 🎉

That is an amazing Feature thank you Xavier, however I believe its not working , I tried to add an example and I can not upload a  picture. 

Worked for the country I'm referee of and for one I am not.

Idolenz

Worked for the country I'm referee of and for one I am not.

how do you upload pictures then?, I fill all the info, but the box where the picture should be dragged does not work, and there is no upload button! 

@Dr_Teek Could you please attach a screen video or show a browser console to see what happens when you try?

Here is mine.

I don't drag and drop I just click then select the file in the normal file window that pops up.

dzmitry.huletski

@Dr_Teek Could you please attach a screen video or show a browser console to see what happens when you try?

Here is mine.

Well When I press on the box with dotted lines does not open an upload window. and when I drag the picture to the browser, the browser shows the picture as the video 

This is what happens 

Dr_Teek

dzmitry.huletski

@Dr_Teek Could you please attach a screen video or show a browser console to see what happens when you try?

Here is mine.

Well When I press on the box with dotted lines does not open an upload window. and when I drag the picture to the browser, the browser shows the picture as the video 

This is what happens 

It does work for me neither.

But not always. I tried with coins and exonumia, some work and other do not.

@dzmitry.huletski @Xavier  So I think I found a pattern all coins after 1923 (i.e. 1924 to 2024) in Egypt have the same issue, I can not upload pictures as I posted in the video above,  unlike earlier coins, hope this help.

Thank you, that helped a lot! I fixed the issue with picture upload.

Thanks for this new feature! 
I wanted to add the variants as comments in the new dedicated section to this token but there are only the sources for the museums. Can we also add other Numista-authorised websites?

Unless I've misunderstood the purpose of this new section.

Select individual collection thenproceed  as normal.

Idolenz

Select individual collection thenproceed  as normal.

I select that but the list of Numista-authorised websites are limited to museum 

The issue with the list of picture sources is fixed.

@Basteros then you have not selected ‘Individual collection’ and you are clicking around the Institution drop down.
You first have to upload your pictures, otherwise you can't select your source anyway.

 

@Idolenz Thanks I must just be tired 😅

So I've managed to enter the varieties, but is there any way of translating the comments?

Notes about the translation and texts:

1. The Delete an example page (e.g. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/examples/delete.php?id=302449) use the label
   delete_sale>select_sale → Select a sale:
   instead a new label with text “Select an example:”
2. The register an example page (e.g. https://fr.numista.com/catalogue/examples/new.php?type=302449)
   The "Submit" button is always in English
3. Request about delete an example:
   after sent, the link “Back to the request list” is not displayed,
   in the request, the reason is not displayed (on the side of a member)
4. I did not find where these texts are used:
   example_modification>institution → Keeping institution
   example_modification>membre_copyright → Copyright owner

Why was “Examples of the type” changed to “Specimens of the type”?  

rsirian1

Why was “Examples of the type” changed to “Specimens of the type”?  

I do not know, I only can edit the Spanish translation, but I see the English translation and “specimen” is used in some texts of EN-US (in EN-UK is used "example").

Thanks for reporting it. I removed the word “specimen” from the U.S. English translations.

With this new feature we can now completely get rid of the year line blockage overused in some countries.

@Xavier 

For the sake of proximity with the date lines, wouldn't it be better to put the "example of this type" section before the "get this coin" section?

Are you planning to add an option for translating comments in the future?

Another thing I think could be improved is the legibility of the information. If the image source or the comment are too long, it takes up all the space, and the important information is hidden behind 'see more'.

If you want to compare all the variants quickly, it's complicated to see them at a glance. In the end, it's easier to see the variants in the comments of the page, and the new section doesn't really serve any purpose.

davidhs

Notes about the translation and texts:

1. The Delete an example page (e.g. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/examples/delete.php?id=302449) use the label
   delete_sale>select_sale → Select a sale:
   instead a new label with text “Select an example:”
2. The register an example page (e.g. https://fr.numista.com/catalogue/examples/new.php?type=302449)
   The "Submit" button is always in English
3. Request about delete an example:
   after sent, the link “Back to the request list” is not displayed,
   in the request, the reason is not displayed (on the side of a member)
4. I did not find where these texts are used:
   example_modification>institution → Keeping institution
   example_modification>membre_copyright → Copyright owner

Hi @davidhs, 

Fixed 1 and 2 (will be merged soon).

3 added to the backlog, will be fixed soon.

4 - both were replaced with something else, removing the labels.

Thanks for helping to keep the code clean!

Dzmitry

Basteros

Another thing I think could be improved is the legibility of the information. If the image source or the comment are too long, it takes up all the space, and the important information is hidden behind 'see more'.

If you want to compare all the variants quickly, it's complicated to see them at a glance. In the end, it's easier to see the variants in the comments of the page, and the new section doesn't really serve any purpose.

The section for examples is a way to better illustrate the coin types, including all possible varieties, but it's not a way to document varieties. For the moment, the recommended way to document varieties remains the comment section. 

 

dzmitry.huletski

davidhs

Notes about the translation and texts:

1. The Delete an example page (e.g. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/examples/delete.php?id=302449) use the label
   delete_sale>select_sale → Select a sale:
   instead a new label with text “Select an example:”
2. The register an example page (e.g. https://fr.numista.com/catalogue/examples/new.php?type=302449)
   The "Submit" button is always in English
3. Request about delete an example:
   after sent, the link “Back to the request list” is not displayed,
   in the request, the reason is not displayed (on the side of a member)
4. I did not find where these texts are used:
   example_modification>institution → Keeping institution
   example_modification>membre_copyright → Copyright owner

Hi @davidhs, 

Fixed 1 and 2 (will be merged soon).

3 added to the backlog, will be fixed soon.

4 - both were replaced with something else, removing the labels.

Thanks for helping to keep the code clean!

Dzmitry

The points 1, 2 and 4 are now solved, as well as the first part of the point 3. The reason for deletion will be added soon.

I would like to make a comment regarding this:

Scope. All examples are welcome. Examples can be used to illustrate different varieties, conservation states, post-mint damages, chopmarks, fake items, or just different examples of the same type.

For fake items I am not really sure this is the best way to proceed as the material can be different, I think this idea of @Polette cover better the need.

Because appart from being a problem for collectors, fakes are also collectibles objects.

Just a couple of question: 

1) Is it reasonable to copy pictures from “Past sales” section to “Examples of the type” section? Shall they be automatically copied there by Mr. Robot?

2) Would it be possible to add a function of authomatic copy of pictures to “Examples of the type” section in case of proposal to change a main picture of the catalogue page?

davidhs

Notes about the translation and texts:

1. The Delete an example page (e.g. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/examples/delete.php?id=302449) use the label
   delete_sale>select_sale → Select a sale:
   instead a new label with text “Select an example:”
2. The register an example page (e.g. https://fr.numista.com/catalogue/examples/new.php?type=302449)
   The "Submit" button is always in English
3. Request about delete an example:
   after sent, the link “Back to the request list” is not displayed,
   in the request, the reason is not displayed (on the side of a member)
4. I did not find where these texts are used:
   example_modification>institution → Keeping institution
   example_modification>membre_copyright → Copyright owner

@davidhs One correction: example_modification>membre_copyright → Copyright owner is needed here:

Grinya

1) Is it reasonable to copy pictures from “Past sales” section to “Examples of the type” section? Shall they be automatically copied there by Mr. Robot?

I'm still not fully clear about how to handle the overlap between the functionality for past sales and the examples. For the moment, I don't see any benefit in copying past sale records into examples. The coin page shows both anyway.

@Xavier @dzmitry.huletski is there a way to display banknote examples a bit better, You cant choose which photo is displayed first, such as the obverse image. Just looks a bit strange, here was one i accepted today. 1 Dollar - Elizabeth II (D Series) - Cayman Islands – Numista

peterjhalford

@Xavier @dzmitry.huletski is there a way to display banknote examples a bit better, You cant choose which photo is displayed first, such as the obverse image. Just looks a bit strange, here was one i accepted today. 1 Dollar - Elizabeth II (D Series) - Cayman Islands – Numista

I can not see the list of examples of that page. I see a white page. It only happens with this page.

davidhs

I can not see the list of examples of that page. I see a white page. It only happens with this page.

Thanks for reporting this issue. It's fixed.

I don't think the placement of the examples is good on the page. Also doesn't show that there are more than one photo to see. Could do. With better placement on catalogue page. 

Xavier

davidhs

I can not see the list of examples of that page. I see a white page. It only happens with this page.

Thanks for reporting this issue. It's fixed.

Now I see the page but I see only one side of the banknote:

peterjhalford

Also doesn't show that there are more than one photo to see.

I saw the CSS source code.

This show one image, cut at right, with line of copyright:

example_list_image
{
 width: 16em;
 max-height: 7em;
 overflow: hidden;
 position: relative;
}

This show two images, cut at right, with line of copyright:

example_list_image
{
 width: 16em;
 max-height: 7em;
 overflow: hidden;
 position: relative;
}

This show two images (all) but not the line of copyright:

example_list_image
{
 width: 16em;
 max-height: 7em;
 overflow: hidden;
 position: relative;
}

Finally this show two images (all) with line of copyright:

example_list_image
{
 width: 16em;
 max-height: 7em;
 overflow: hidden;
 position: relative;
}

I translate the FAQ article regarding examples https://en.numista.com/help/how-do-referees-validate-examples-208.html into Spanish and saw some “mistakes” in the French version (I get help from both versions, English and French, with my translation: some expressions sound better translated from French).

I did these changes in the French version https://fr.numista.com/help/sur-quels-criteres-les-referents-valident-ils-les-exemplaires-208.html

• The French interface uses the word “exemplaire”, so I replaced “exemple” by “exemplaire” (except two “exemple” which are not “exemplaire”).
• The second item of the list began with “Vérification”, but according to the English version the correct one is “Précision”.

This need the verification of @Xavier, @Compendium or other.

davidhs

I translate the FAQ article regarding examples https://en.numista.com/help/how-do-referees-validate-examples-208.html into Spanish and saw some “mistakes” in the French version (I get help from both versions, English and French, with my translation: some expressions sound better translated from French).

 

I did these changes in the French version https://fr.numista.com/help/sur-quels-criteres-les-referents-valident-ils-les-exemplaires-208.html

• The French interface uses the word “exemplaire”, so I replaced “exemple” by “exemplaire” (except two “exemple” which are not “exemplaire”).
• The second item of the list began with “Vérification”, but according to the English version the correct one is “Précision”.

 

This need the verification of @Xavier, @Compendium or other.

It's OK thanks

Xavier

dzmitry.huletski

davidhs

Notes about the translation and texts:

[…]

3. Request about delete an example: […]  in the request, the reason is not displayed (on the side of a member)

[…]

[…] 3 added to the backlog, will be fixed soon. […]

[…] The reason for deletion will be added soon.

It was done, 👌but HTML br tags are displayed:

davidhs

Xavier

dzmitry.huletski

davidhs

Notes about the translation and texts:

[…]

3. Request about delete an example: […]  in the request, the reason is not displayed (on the side of a member)

[…]

[…] 3 added to the backlog, will be fixed soon. […]

[…] The reason for deletion will be added soon.

It was done, 👌but HTML br tags are displayed:

This will be solved in the next release.

We need split the label of number of hours in axis of examples.

For example, see this page https://en.numista.com/catalogue/examples/new.php?type=120857, Measurements section, Axis field.

This field is a select box with options whose text is controlled by this label:

• example_edit>axis_o_clock • %s stand for a number between 1 and 12, representing the axis orientation
  (EN-UK) %s h
  (EN-US) %s o'clock
  (ES) %s horas
  (FR) %s heures
  (GE) %s Uhr

In English is valid, and I do not know in German. But in Spanish and in French is not correct “1 horas” / “1 heures” (must be “1 hora” / “1 heure”).
 

We need two labels: one with %s = 1 and other with %s = [2-12]

I might be getting old and stupid, but how do you enter your images to a year line. I still haven't figured it out😵

Sjoelund

I might be getting old and stupid, but how do you enter your images to a year line. I still haven't figured it out😵

At the bottom of the page you click “Register an example of this type”.

bjherbison

Sjoelund

I might be getting old and stupid, but how do you enter your images to a year line. I still haven't figured it out😵

At the bottom of the page you click “Register an example of this type”.

Thanks a lot, I have already tried, and it seems to function (if validated). 

What happens, when two types will be merged (India km48.1 and 48.2)?

Sjoelund

What happens, when two types will be merged (India km48.1 and 48.2)?

The new type will have two lines (or more), one with km48.1 and other with km48.2, and the examples will be moved to the correct line. This task is done by admins.

Also, if an example was associated with an incorrect line or type, you can edit the example and submit the correction.