Duchy of Courland [Risolto]

Where in the catalog should coins from the Duchy of Courland (Duke Gotthard Kettler) be placed? In the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?

In my opinion - yes, in Polish - Lithuanian.

from Wikipedia:

"On the basis of the Treaty of Vilnius (28 November 1561), he created the Duchy of Courland and Semigallia as a vassal state of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which was soon merged into the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.[2]"

"The Duchy of Courland and Semigallia (Latin: Ducatus Curlandiæ et Semigalliæ, Polish: Księstwo Kurlandii i Semigalii, German: Herzogtum Kurland und Semgallen, Latvian: Kurzemes un Zemgales hercogiste) is the name of a duchy in the Baltic region that existed from 1561 to 1569 as a vassal state of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and from 1569 to 1726 the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, incorporated into Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth by Sejm in 1726,[1] but on 28 March 1795, it was annexed by the Russian Empire in the Third Partition of Poland."

Ask G.Haljak about the Couronian coins.He will help, I think http://www.ghcoin.ee/books.phtml

Cita: "geraltttt82"​In my opinion - yes, in Polish - Lithuanian.
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​from Wikipedia:
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​"On the basis of the Treaty of Vilnius (28 November 1561), he created the Duchy of Courland and Semigallia as a vassal state of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which was soon merged into the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.[2]"
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​"The Duchy of Courland and Semigallia (Latin: Ducatus Curlandiæ et Semigalliæ, Polish: Księstwo Kurlandii i Semigalii, German: Herzogtum Kurland und Semgallen, Latvian: Kurzemes un Zemgales hercogiste) is the name of a duchy in the Baltic region that existed from 1561 to 1569 as a vassal state of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and from 1569 to 1726 the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, incorporated into Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth by Sejm in 1726,[1] but on 28 March 1795, it was annexed by the Russian Empire in the Third Partition of Poland."

​Really not, You'll not find the Couronian coins in catalogues of Lithuanian coins of Ivanauskas or Sajauskas or Huletsky... These are closer to Livonia, than to Lithuania.

You will not find this coins in "lithuanian catalogues" because, of course they are not lithuanian, but... take catalogue of polish coins by Kopicki, page 177 - 182. Duchy of Courland was part of Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth as fief.

Cita: "geraltttt82"​You will not find this coins in "lithuanian catalogues" because, of course they are not lithuanian, but... take catalogue of polish coins by Kopicki, page 177 - 182. Duchy of Courland was part of Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth as fief.

​Yes, but also You'll find all the Kettlers coins in „Livonian Coins XIII-XVIII Century. Part II: Kingdoms. Livonian Coins from XVI-XVIII Century“ of Gunnar Haljak.

„The catalogue “Livonian Coins XIII-XVIII Century” consists of two parts: “Part I: Feudal States” and “Part II: Kingdoms”. The first part includes an illustrated register, a price list and commentaries on coins that were minted in the Danish king’s realms in Northern Estonia and in the Old Livonian Confederation from the start of the 13th century until the collapse of Old Livonia in the Livonian War. The second part covers coins that were minted in or for Estonia, Livonia and Courland during the Polish-Lithuanian, Swedish and Russian rule until the end of the 18th century.The format of the catalogue is A4, it weighs about 2 kg, hard binding is used. It features 352 pages, over 900 photos from the larger private collections and museums. Author of the book is Gunnar Haljak, book came out 2011. “ (http://www.ghcoin.ee/books.phtml)

In Krause there is separate country Duchy of Courland

Any chance of getting Courland placed somewhere, anywhere? I'm sure I am not the only one who would like to enter Courland coins in catalog.

http://www.almanachdegotha.org/id268.html

The Duchy of Courland and Semigallia (Latin: Ducatus Curlandiæ et Semigalliæ, Polish: Księstwo Kurlandii i Semigalii, German: Herzogtum Kurland und Semgallen, Latvian: Kurzemes un Zemgales hercogiste) is the name of a duchy in the Baltic region that existed from 1562 to 1569 as a vassal state of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and from 1569 to 1726 the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, incorporated into Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth by Sejm in 1726, but on March 28, 1795, it was annexed by the Russian Empire in the third Partition of Poland.

Cita: "SRV5490"​Any chance of getting Courland placed somewhere, anywhere? I'm sure I am not the only one who would like to enter Courland coins in catalog.

​it's possible to find the Couronian coins in Lithuanian,Latvian, Ukrainian online coin auctions , f.e. http://www.antik-war.lv/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=834793
http://www.antik-war.lv/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=829648
http://www.antik-war.lv/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=831770
http://www.antik-war.lv/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=830952

or on ebay by absolutely unreal prices http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=kettler&_osacat=11116&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xcourland+.TRS0&_nkw=courland+&_sacat=11116

A vassal state is any state that is subordinate to another. The vassal in these cases is the ruler, rather than the state itself. Being a vassal most commonly implies providing military assistance to the dominant state when requested to do so; it sometimes implies paying tribute, but a state which does so is better described as a tributary state. In simpler terms the vassal state would have to provide military power to the dominant state. Today, more common terms are puppet state, protectorate or associated state.
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During the 18th century the Ottoman Empire controlled many states such as the Berber people and Crimean Khanate.

Do we have Crimean country or China - Japanese puppet states at Numista ? Yes , we have and there are more examples. In my opinion there should be separete country. As far as i remember once there was a country - Courland at Numista.
Regards,
Damian

I found this thread only now. It has its own KM numbers - listing in Krause, so I believe it should be separated.

Today I got this lovely Courland schilling dated 1575 with the inverted D (DVCAT) in reverse legend.

Just wait until I get my request validated. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces87562.html

I also started adding all coins I have knowledge of to the catalogue, just waiting to be validated.

But as usuall, I am lost at their denominations and their relationship... anyone can help?

The legend may vary. I found obv: MONE.NOVA.ARGENTE , rev: D(D inverted)VCAT.CUR.ET.SEMIG on my coin.
And monogram of Sigismundus II Augustus, not Stanislavus.

I added it, we need all info we can get. Thanks

I do not think of those entries of mine as of perfect... but nobody was able to add those coins until today, so I did it...

Hello, sorry to revive, but all Courlandian coins (except one) that I am aware of are published now.

Good work Jarcek ! But too bad this must be under PLC not as seperate country :(

I will raise the issue to the new administration. Once it takes place.

Cita: "Jarcek"​I will raise the issue to the new administration. Once it takes place.

​It will be great, thanks ! Courland was as fief to PLC but there are others fiefs at Numista as separte countries that is why i think it should be a new country. I think we should have one standard for fief countries.
Damian

So lets make all fief of England, France, or.. Poland as separeta country for example if this will be the new standard:

Fief of Kingdom of Poland 1295 - 1795:

Księstwo bełskie
Księstwo chełmskie
Księstwo dobrzyńskie
Księstwa Kujawskie (Brześć, Bydgoszcz, Gniewkowo, Inowrocław, Kujawy)
Księstwo łęczyckie
Księstwa Mazowieckie (Czersk, Mazowsze, Płock, Rawa, Warszawa)
Księstwa Małopolskie (Kraków,Sandomierz)
Księstwo podolskie
Księstwa Pomorskie (Gdańsk, Słupsk)
Księstwo sieradzkie
Księstwa Śląskie (Oświęcim, Siewierz, Zator)
Księstwo Warmińskie
Księstwa wielkopolskie (księstwo kaliskie, księstwo poznańskie)
Księstwo wieluńskie
Księstwo włodzimierskie
Hospodarstwo Mołdawskie
Hospodarstwo Wołoskie
Prusy Zakonne
Prusy Książęce
Republika Nowogrodzka
Republika Pskowska
Spisz
Ziemia lęborsko-bytowska

Fief of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth:

Księstwo Kurlandii i Semigalii