Tristan da Cunha is screwed up...

I'm on Numista logging in my coins and there is a huge problem. Because some want to list coins under a parent country we are faced with the reality of a country that has catalog numbers that are the same for coins of different metal, denominations, and years. This is weird. It could be easily solved by giving coins of a named country their own named listing. Can this please be fixed?

Uh huh? Could you please give some example? I am not sure I understood.

Ah, you mean Nightingale island etc.?

I never understood it.

Three islands have issued coins that Krause has assigned KM numbers to. Nightengale, Gough, and Stoltzen something. Numista has accepted these as legit coinage. But have listed all of them in Tristan da Cunha. This messes up all the catalog numbering...i was trying to list all of my crowns and when i searched by KM number it returned 3 different listings with the same catalog number...this is only a problem because of the Numista factor and insistance to have as few countries as possible. Does it cost money to have more countries? Because if it does maybe we should have the countries of North America, South America, Europe, etc. But that doesnt solve the problem of catalog numbers...sooooo....I got it! Lets seperate coins by the named country on the coin !

That can be done.

We might investigate to see if this is a problem with other potential condensations..

I would just wait up a little for new administration that is coming. I see a problem, I could attempt a solution, but I would rather not started anything few days before new administration team comes in.

Excited for this new administration.

Stuff like that (subnational entities that aren't yet considered different countries) is usually separated as different currencies in Numista. So you'd get something like "Tristan da Cunha pound" for the regular coins (a few crowns from the 1970s and 1980s, apparently), and then "Gough Island - Tristan da Cunha pound" for the Gough Island coins, and so on (this is an approximate example, it doesn't need to be exactly like that).
I agree, if this isn't how it's actually done in the Tristan da Cunha entry, then it's screwed up. Of course, the assorted (mostly uninhabited) islands' coins are in any case borderline Exonumia territory.

EDIT: just checked, and no, it isn't. (And some of the coins that just say "Tristan da Cunha" are listed under "St Helena Dependency". No idea why. I mean, it makes sense from the style that they're not the "regular" series, but I still have no idea where the "St Helena" part comes from either.)

Tristan da cunha is a dependency of St. Helena. But it doesnt solve the problem of same catalog numbers within a country the way Numista organizes it.

Oklahoman, since September 2009 Tristan da Cunha is a part of the British overseas territory of Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, with all 3 being of equal status. Before 2009 Tristan da Cunha and Ascension were dependencies of Saint Helena.

Will

Coinman48 that is not the problem.

The problem is when you go to tristan da cunha and you now have multiple coins with the exact same catalog number. Perhaps this isnt a big deal...but it does seem to be messy. And if it is in this case with all these islands is it possibly going to be problematic if they join Ceylon/Sri Lanka or Burma/ Myanmar for example? That was my original concern, catalog numbers, not Ascension, St. Helena, and Tristan da Cunha equality. (Thank goodness they have not condensed them to one entry in the country listing.) Thanks for the info on their equality, that didnt hit the papers here.

I agree it is a problem and they should be separated in some manner. West Irian and Riau Archipelago have a similar problem, being listed as only West Irian rupiah within Indonesia, while Krause gives them their own numbers, although the numbers are duplicate (KM# 5 to 9 for each "country", duplicating numbers of Indonesia proper). I reported that quite a while ago but fixing it does not seem to be a priority.

Will

The Tristan da Cunha coins are official and legal tender. Their issuance has been approved by the local Administrator as well as by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office of the UK. Like in the UK permission of HM Queen Elizabeth II is being asked when a new effigy is being used. Proposals of themes for the coins are being put to subject of the approval of the islanders and the islanders also have the possibility to propose themes. So collectors think twice before you consider these coins as fantasies!

The coins for Nightingale Island, Gough Island and Stoltenhof Island should be considered as collectors coins issued by Tristan da Cunha to commemorate the islands, even although the name TdC isn't mentioned on the coins. Therefore there is no need to make new currencies for them.

The collectors coins of Tristan da Cunha are being accepted on the island (as well as Euro, GBP and Rand) and in fact there are some TdC collectors coins in circulation on the island.

I am lucky to have very good contacts on the island (as well as in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office)

I dont question their legitimacy. I question the identical catalogue numbers.

Cita: "Oklahoman"​I dont question their legitimacy. I question the identical catalogue numbers.

​I know that you don't question their legitimacy, though many collectors do. Anyway I have also explained exactly what should be done about it.

Lets leave this for incoming board to decide.

Krause made mistake by putting them separate, in terms of "legal status". We corrected that mistake and now, when we search by KM, it looks horribly.

There will be few more similar issues in other places of the catalogue.

Just curious...how does Schon address this in his catalogue? I know that the two catalogues cooperate...even so i am curious since i dont have a Schon catalogue.

Cita: "Oklahoman"​Just curious...how does Schon address this in his catalogue? I know that the two catalogues cooperate...even so i am curious since i dont have a Schon catalogue.

I have no copy of the Weltmünzkatalog 21. Jahrhundert, so I can't check it for you. Dr. Gerhard Schön is now no longer in charge of that catalog.

Jarcek, any new news about this matter?

More pressing issue on schedule. You can try writing to the referee. Maybe he could divide those coins.

Can anything be done yet?

Any thoughts from the new board, or is it still aways down the list?

Still keeping it in mind. As third level is still not ready, I will push this to separate currencies, before they are made separate sections.