New layout for listing varieties in the catalogue

After I came across a rather convoluted page where there were over 40 varieties listed for a single year, Phil came up with a really great idea for how to list varieties. I've stolen his post to add here to see what people think of it, and I'll put it up in the referees forum as well to gauge reaction from referees. Here is Phil's idea

Why not use a layout where the year and mintage is assigned only to the "standard" coin, this would have the effect of creating an indent for the "variety" lines so they can be easily ignored. Anything which doesn't have a KM assigned to it should be treated this way. Low Tide and ME Pennies, magnetic / non magnetic - in, Mugabe's bum having an extra wrinkle - out. Do y'all understand what I'm getting at or should I draw a picture? Oh, go on then.........

Year Mintage VG F VF EF UNC EXC KM 11
VG F VF EF UNC EXC (variety text blurb goes here)
VG F VF EF UNC EXC (variety text blurb goes here)
Year Mintage VG F VF EF UNC EXC KM 12

There should be no place in the catalog for errors. They are tricky to define, easy to create (pass me a hammer and a blowtorch and stand back) most are completely contrived and cataloging them in any meaningful way is just not possible. If we could agree on this much it would be a huge step in the right direction.

In addition I would suggest that we could have a feature where you can press a button to "Hide Varieties" leaving just the standard catalogue.

I really like were this is going .

Really like this idea too.

Get your vote in if you like it. Of course I'm now going to claim it as my idea

Really good idea, I agree.

We should tell the Frenchies what we're planning.

It would be just great! Now there are coins with so many varieties that it is quite useless to add them. It only confuse users and clog up the catalog. Your suggestion is the perfect solution!

Cita: "pnightingale"​We should tell the Frenchies what we're planning.

​I'll leave that to someone with more than my rudimentary knowledge of the french language

Cita: "neilithic"In addition I would suggest that we could have a feature where you can press a button to "Hide Varieties" leaving just the standard catalogue.

I'm a collector of varieties and I understand people who don't care at all about varieties experience this as a burden. There are a lot of members who collect varieties (from all countries or from specific countries) but of course there are a lot more members who don't collect varieties at all. I truly believe varieties deserve their place in our catalog (in my opinion Numista has to be as complete as possible). But I also believe others think otherwise about this. So I'm a little bit skeptic about changes (it might turn out into an anti-variety feeling) and that's why I don't vote for this idea yet. But if we can find a golden mean to please everyone, like the feature Neilithic is talking about in the quote above, I support the idea and vote for it.

Yes that going to be hard, I to collect varieties. I think varieties that have there own Km numbers And ones like edging smooth and reading. Rim thickness. dot or letters there or not. Open numbers and open lettering. high tide low tide. ones you can find easily. But the trick is what is easy

How will we deal with swap coins. Is there going to be two different areas to add swap coins? We had better figure this all out before we do anything.

Cita: "Essor Prof"​

Cita: "neilithic"In addition I would suggest that we could have a feature where you can press a button to "Hide Varieties" leaving just the standard catalogue.

​I'm a collector of varieties and I understand people who don't care at all about varieties experience this as a burden. There are a lot of members who collect varieties (from all countries or from specific countries) but of course there are a lot more members who don't collect varieties at all. I truly believe varieties deserve their place in our catalog (in my opinion Numista has to be as complete as possible). But I also believe others think otherwise about this. So I'm a little bit skeptic about changes (it might turn out into an anti-variety feeling) and that's why I don't vote for this idea yet. But if we can find a golden mean to please everyone, like the feature Neilithic is talking about in the quote above, I support the idea and vote for it.

​We're not talking about leaving varieties out altogether, I would like to see them listed, but listed as Phil has suggested. by removing the year and mintage numbers they are indented so you can see at a glance what the simplified coins are. My suggestion about a button to hide varieties would work similarly to the checkboxes we have now in the country list. If you could enter the coin as a variety when entering it then you could just add a check box so you can hide varieties if you do not collect them

It won't affect the coins in your swap list Daryl, we already have filters to omit tokens etc. It just changes the way they are displayed to you, everyone else can still see them.

Hi,

since I'm a variety collector I quite often swap for a missing variety in my collection. I receive the coin and find out, that the sender had just added it without taking care of checking correctly his coin against the variety. Hence I think it would be better if such collectors had a line saying (variety unknown), which some swappers already say in their comment field!

On the other hand, I can see the work for all type and non variety collectors, if they have to change all their doubles in numista....... years of man work, all added!

Ole

Hello,

 

I like the way subtypes are listed in nomisma:

http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.2_3(2).hdn.210-213

 

I think this could be implemented in Numista in a similar way. Each subtype/variety would have a separate page (as sometimes done in Numista). Then there could be a “meta” type page, which would simply have a title and links to the sub-types. The meta-page would then simply aggregate the info of the subtypes.

 

I leave here some ideas:

I also like the Examples of this type section in OCRE.

I think this could be implemented in Numista in a similar way. Each subtype/variety would have a separate page (as sometimes done in Numista). Then there could be a “meta” type page, which would simply have a title and links to the sub-types. The meta-page would then simply aggregate the info of the subtypes.

-These are awesome examples for varieties posted.  I agree with Ole, as I've had questions (experiences) in the past where collectors are oblivious to varieties so if there isn't a separate category, it could get confusing very fast. The “meta” type pages look like a great avenue.

This is an amazing idea —can’t believe it died. it work perfectly with banknotes too, as some similar ideas were raised recently, Anyone know why it didn’t take of !!!??? 

 

check this out @Jarcek, it so relevant to what we were discussing regarding sub varieties for banknotes

Any updates on this suggestion….. @Xavier  as I think we need it not only for coins but banknotes as well