Australian RAM Coins without KM#

There are a few Australian Coins produced by the RAM (Royal Australian Mint) that do not appear to have a KM#. I have looked on Numismaster.com and can't find one.

This is a list of all the 1 Dollar coins produced up to and including 2013 that don't have one.
2009 - $1 - 200 Years of Australian Postal services - https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces72963
2012 - $1 - Tree Kangaroo - https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces72998
2012 - $1 - AFL Premiers - Sydney Swans - https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces72996.html
2013 - $1 - AFL Premiers - Hawthorn - https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces74928.html

Just about everything produced by the RAM after 2013 does not have a KM#, this is an example.

2014 - $1 - Lunar Year of the Horse - https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces73215.html

So looks like some got missed and lots after 2013 have never been considered. How does one go about fixing this?

Regards Mike

They have KM#s, but they just haven't been added to Numista yet. Here is the Postal Service one.

Krause hasn't added any coins from 2013 yet, only 2012 and earlier. And they still haven't added all of 2012.

None of your links work, by the way.

Thanks for the reply nthn. The Postal Service one you mentioned, which i did see before on Numismaster, is not a RAM coin. It is a Perth Mint coin. It is not the standard dollar coin size.

The NCLT RAM Postal Service coin is normal dollar coin size and has a different reverse to the Perth mint coin. It does not have a Krause no.

I don't know why those links didn't work. I'm using my phone to write this and when I get home I will re-do them on my PC.

See my next post below ......

Hi Nthn

This is the 2009 NCLT RAM Postal Service coin >>> https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces72963.html
It is a normal sized Australian dollar coin, 9gram, 25mm which is the standard circulation currency size even though it is NCLT. It was actually issued by Australia Post in a PNC and is quite rare.

Someone has placed KM# 2009 against this coin on Numista and that is incorrect. I have put in a change request to remove the KM# 2009 from this RAM coin.

The one that has a Krause #2009 that you mentioned above does not yet have an entry on Numista. It is a NCLT Perth Mint Dollar coin 13.8gram, 30.20mm. It has a different coloured reverse to the RAM coin which is not coloured.

Cheers Mike

These links should work ... These are the coins mentioned above with bad links.

2012 - $1 - AFL Premiers - Sydney Swans >>> https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces72996.html
2012 - $1 - Tree Kangaroo >>> https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces72998.html
2013 - $1 - AFL Premiers - Hawthorn >>> https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces74928.html

Interestingly . . the 2013 Hawthorn coin above has now got a KM# on Numista >> KM# 2151
But that can not be found on Numismaster? Who came up with it? Certainly not me.

You said & I quote >> "Krause hasn't added any coins from 2013 yet, only 2012 and earlier. And they still haven't added all of 2012."
That is not quite correct as they have added most of the RAM 2012 & 2013 coins.

Cheers Mike

If your government honours them as legal tender then they are listed as such. If you've proof that they are not legel tender then share it and no doubt the refs will move it to the X listings.

I cannot imagine i would have to go collect the granny bait or toy coins as you call them when Australia has such a large group of circulation coin types. Im sure i will spend my life just getting most of those...

Hi Oklahoman .. Thanks for your comments. You are right the Australian Government does recognise the Perth Mint coins as Legal Tender. They are definitely Non Circulating Legal Tender though.

The Perth Mint does not produce any Australian circulating coins. (Although they have done in the past). Most of what they currently produce are Silver and Gold coins with some base metal coins. Lately they have made a lot of base metal pad printed coloured coins. They just churn them out non-stop.

If you did collect them you would need very deep pockets to pay for them as they are not cheap. These are the types of coins I call Granny Bait or Toy Coins. Yes you could walk into a shop and spend one for face value, but only a fool would do that. Not only that, I think most shopkeepers would probably not accept them as they would have never seen one before and would be suspicious of what they were.

The coins that the Perth Mint produce are also not Standard Size. For instance they make $1 face value coins at 30 and 40mm diameters with varying weight. A $1 Coin produced by the Royal Australian Mint in Canberra is 25mm, 9gm always.

The RAM also makes NCLT coins as well as all of our circulating coins but they are always Standard Size. These are the ones that I collect. Since 1984 when the $1 coin was introduced, the RAM has released 69 Circulating $1 coins (Some Definitive and most Commemorative) and 341 NCLT $1 coins (Also some Definitive and most Commemorative).

It just annoys me that all these Perth Mint toy/non-standard/granny bait coins get in the way of the real Australians coins on Numista. I have raised this issue before and I understand that nothing can be done about it. I just have to live with it. I can still have a whinge though.

It also seems that people who do not know much about Australian coins get them all mixed up. For instance nthn who posted above got the Perth Mint "200 Years of Postal Services" coin mixed up with the RAM "200 Years of Postal Services" coin. These are two very different coins even though they commemorate the same thing at around the same time.

This is the RAM coin - >> https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces72963.html

The Perth Mint coin is on Numista but it has got a KM#1089
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces115290.html

Also someone went and placed KM#2009 against the RAM coin on Numista .... I have since had it removed as it is an obvious schoolboy error made by someone who does not know the difference between RAM and Perth Mint.

Anyway my rant is over . . I hope I haven't bored anyone to death .. :)

Cheers Mike

ps - I edited this post as the Perth Mint 2009 $1 Postal Services coin is on Numista now - I added it :)

Im curious...are the bimetal and the large 5 dollars RAM? I dont care for colored coins either...

The large 38.74mm aluminium-bronze NCLT Australian $5 coins are mostly minted by the RAM. Although the 28 year 2000 Sydney Olympics $5 coins were produced jointly by the RAM and the Perth Mint. I have just finished updating all the images and information on all the large RAM $5 coins with the exception of 2 that are not on Numista yet. (I will do them when I get copies of them).

The Perth Mint has put out $5 coins but gold/silver bullion types with the exception of a copper-nickel one.

The smaller 28.12mm bi-metal NCLT $5 coins are all output by the RAM. I'm at a loss as to why they did some like that and the larger ones in aluminium-bronze? I don't have any of the bi-metal ones in my collection as of yet. The RAM at times would release both types of coins at the same time to commemorate the same thing? Go figure?

The RAM are guilty of releasing coloured coins too, but at least they keep them to the normal size and weight as per the same circulating denominations.

I hope that answers your questions Oklahoman?

Cheers Mike

Mike, I love the great information! I have the Olympic set of 5 dollar coins. I wonder if there is a marking to differentiate? Or was a specific mint responsible for a specific issue?

unrelated question...

Do you know anything at all about "bones", the Australian navy version of mah jongg?

Hi Oklahoman

I'm investigating the $5 Coins mint origin .. . So hang fire on that.

Regarding the Australian Navy Bones Mah jongg game I have never heard about it but this is a link that might help ....

http://www.gunplot.net/mahjongg/mahjongg3.html

Cheers Mike

Cita: "Oklahoman"​Mike, I love the great information! I have the Olympic set of 5 dollar coins. I wonder if there is a marking to differentiate? Or was a specific mint responsible for a specific issue?

​From the information in my edition of Australian Coins and Banknotes by Greg McDonald all the 2000 Olympic aluminium bronze 5 dollar coins were struck by the Royal Australian Mint. It's only a number of the silver 5 dollar coins that were struck at the Perth Mint.

Cita: "brismike"​
​Regarding the Australian Navy Bones Mah jongg game I have never heard about it but this is a link that might help ....
​
​http://www.gunplot.net/mahjongg/mahjongg3.html

​Very amusing!

Hi Max ..... The Jury is still out on that. :)

In my copy of MacDonalds book, Edition 23 on page 280 it says that the Olympic Silver Coin minting was shared by the RAM and Perth Mint.

On Page 278 where the Aluminium-bronze ones are listed it does not say that but they are all listed as "Canb" which signifies the RAM.

However on the back of each actual coincard of the Aluminium-bronze coins it says .... "The result of a collaboration between the Royal Australian Mint and the Perth Mint, this specially produced coin is part of a collection of 28 commemorative coins representing sports of the Sydney 2000 Olympics"

On the back page of the special album folder that I have got my 28 coins in, you will find the Logo's of the RAM and Perth Mint's.

Why would the Perth Mint even get a mention if they had nothing to do with these coins?

This is quite interesting .. .I am still investigating.

Mike

I have contacted the Perth Mint about the $5 Sydney Olympic Aluminium-bronze Coins and this is the reply I got from them....

Hi Michael - Thank you for your enquiry. As far as I am aware, although the Olympic coin series was a joint project between the Royal Australian Mint and the Perth Mint, the aluminium bronze coins were produced by the Royal Australian Mint. The gold coins appear to have been produced by the Perth Mint and the silver coins appear to have been a joint project (source: Pocket Guide to Australian Coins and Banknotes 16th Edition by Greg Macdonald)
Kind regards,
Aaron Gibbs | Retail Customer Service Officer, perthmint.com.au

So that clears that up .. they were all made at the RAM.

Mike

It's good to have some clarification on that.