If change to Cabo Verde in English is made, consider changing Ivory Coast as well
"In April 1986, the government declared Côte d'Ivoire (or, more fully, République de Côte d'Ivoire) to be its formal name for the purposes of diplomatic protocol, and officially refuses to recognize or accept any translation from French to another language in its international dealings." (Wikipedia)
Cita: "Coinman48"If change to Cabo Verde in English is made, consider changing Ivory Coast as well
"In April 1986, the government declared Côte d'Ivoire (or, more fully, République de Côte d'Ivoire) to be its formal name for the purposes of diplomatic protocol, and officially refuses to recognize or accept any translation from French to another language in its international dealings." (Wikipedia)
https://history.state.gov/countries/cote-divoire (indicates US State Dept. recognizes name change)
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I'm not sure we should blindly follow the official name, but perhaps use the common name in English. There are already thorough debates on Wikipedia about the very same topic of deciding countries' names. My suggestion would be to follow the decisions that are taken there.
Here are the records of the debate to choose the name on Wikipedia:
Wikipedia elaborated some thoughtful rules about the naming of their articles, including country articles, which I find useless to redefine for Numista. I pretty agree about this comment in the Wikipedia discussion to decide whether Cape Verde should be renamed into Cabo Verde:
Cita: "CMD, Wikipedia"No-one disagrees that the official name has changed, but we do not simply follow those changes. Organisations that do follow official names will of course adapt their usage to follow, and thus the examples from UN bodies and government agencies provided are unpersuasive with regards to a wp:common name change. Meanwhile, Cape Verde, long the only name that was really used in English, remains widespread throughout the world's English speaking media. A selection from August: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9]. Cabo Verde is used, but it seems far far more rarely, with the anecdotal observation that on the first page of my google news search for the term Portuguese-language pages are pulled up. Even if it was more common, there is no evidence that it has at all replaced Cape Verde as the common name. CMD (talk) 15:33, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Simply put, the official name is relevant for diplomatic or official material, but "Cape Verde" is still the most widely used name in English speaking countries.
If an English-speaking user is looking for that country in the country list, there is higher chance the user would look for "Cape Verde".
Cita: "Xavier"Simply put, the official name is relevant for diplomatic or official material, but "Cape Verde" is still the most widely used name in English speaking countries.
If an English-speaking user is looking for that country in the country list, there is higher chance the user would look for "Cape Verde".
That's a circular reasoning; if we use the English name because we assume it's the most commonly used then how will the official Portuguese name ever be used?
Also, someone who finds a coin from this country will first look for the Portuguese name because that's the one that's on the coin.
It's bad enough already that searching for Saint Thomas and Prince returns no results because Numista uses the Portuguse name, São Tomé and Príncipe, with letters that are not even on my keyboard. Now, you want to add more non-English names?? Seriously, who cares what the country wants to be called on diplomatic documents on what it's known as in the English-speaking world??? If we followed official rules, we'd have the Russian Federation instead of just Russia, etc. Please don't over-complicate things when there is no need for it.
The point is that it isn't a non-English name. Cabo Verde is now the name of this country, even in English. Same goes for Côte d'Ivoire. São Tomé and Príncipe and Timor-Leste are correctly listed in the country list so why not have these other 2 nations listed with their correct names?
I don't agree that this is the same as changing Russia to Russian Federation. I never suggested changing the name from Cape Verde to the Republic of Cabo Verde, its full official name.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who cares what a country wants to be called.
Trying to get a coin from each UN country with circulating coins. 20 to go!
Cita: "Houseofham"Then why haven't we changed the Czech Republic to Czechia?
Because it's another error/oversight that should be corrected? You can't justify a mistake on the grounds that there are other mistakes, so why bother. For a catalogue that takes pride in pointing out that Krause has errors, that does not cut it.
The goal should be to have fewer inaccuracies, not more.
Cita: "jamser89"I don't agree that this is the same as changing Russia to Russian Federation. I never suggested changing the name from Cape Verde to the Republic of Cabo Verde, its full official name.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who cares what a country wants to be called.
Fully agree. Again, all due respect to random people on the internet, when it comes to choosing what a country should be called I believe the country's own choice should take precedence over Houseofham's. If we go with whatever incorrect name we prefer or think is more common then we'd have America instead of USA, Burma instead of Myanmar, Holland instead of Netherlands...
Out of curiosity, I wonder what members from the concerned countries think about this discussion.
This is not about my preference vs yours, it's about maintaining the ease of use while keeping everyone happy. I could understand if your argument was for supporting all names, new and old, but why just the latest? Not only are you willing to blindly accept whatever they tell you to call them, but you're forcing your choices on everyone else.
Also, there is another aspect of this that you are overlooking: not all countries recognize other countries' name changes. For example, the US and the UK did not recognize the change from Burma to Myanmar. You can see the CIA still using the name Burma on their site - https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/bm.html. How is this reflected in Numista's list of countries? Why is Burma not even listed as a section? How is that different from having a section for USSR? Burma was the country's official name in the past and that should be reflected on Numista.
Cita: "Houseofham"This is not about my preference vs yours, it's about maintaining the ease of use while keeping everyone happy. I could understand if your argument was for supporting all names, new and old, but why just the latest? Not only are you willing to blindly accept whatever they tell you to call them, but you're forcing your choices on everyone else.
Also, there is another aspect of this that you are overlooking: not all countries recognize other countries' name changes. For example, the US and the UK did not recognize the change from Burma to Myanmar. You can see the CIA still using the name Burma on their site - https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/bm.html. How is this reflected in Numista's list of countries? Why is Burma not even listed as a section? How is that different from having a section for USSR? Burma was the country's official name in the past and that should be reflected on Numista.
Well, call me a sheep but yes, I think if anyone should get to choose how a country is called it should be the country itself. Even if I don't like the name.
And I'm not enforcing "my" (actually, the country's) choices on anyone (in fact it will make no difference to me either way, as I've almost completely stopped using the site to manage my collection due to the lack of development). I'm saying, a website can either look down on Krause because of their errors or choose convenience over accuracy, not both.
And I'm not against using both names, it just wasn't in this discussion. The point here was that the country's name in English, whether you or I approve of it or not, is now Cabo Verde, and that name doesn't even appear on the list.
I've already expressed how incoherently Numista manages countries with two names: sometimes one name is listed, sometimes both are; if the latter then sometimes both names lead to the same country page, and sometimes not.
About Myanmar/Burma: I just checked - I actually had no idea that Burma had been removed, let alone why. I thought both names were still listed. Anyway I didn't make myself clear; I didn't mean that only Myanmar should be listed, just that it is now the country's name as recognized by the UN and people, including the USA (the CIA thing is political), should just deal with it. Of course I think Burma should appear as well, as the previous official name.
