Fatman fake or real?

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oddrunar
Iscritto: 12 Nov 2017
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coin nr 1. weight: 26,73 g - Diameter: 38,97 mm - Thickness: 2,44 mm
coin nr 2. weight: 26,72 g - Diameter: 38,99 mm - Thickness: 2,47 mm
coin nr 3. weight: 26,75 g - Diameter: 39,06 mm - Thickness: 2,36 mm
coin nr 4. weight: 26,81 g - Diameter: 39,05 mm - Thickness: 2,49 mm
coin nr 5. weight: 26,71 g - Diameter: 39,05 mm - Thickness: 2,47 mm






Thanks in advance for the response
PetrusAscanus
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Did you try a magnet?
Most of the fatman coins you find on the market are replica's
I hope yours are not :)
Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
oddrunar
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They are all silver, neomagnetic.
PetrusAscanus
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The chinese make replica's in silver (or low content silver)
https://www.thespruce.com/chinese-coin-counterfeiting-ring-4071202
Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
eazy.dog
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fake coins are not always magnetic...if not magnetic does not mean the coin is original...
PetrusAscanus
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Cita: "eazy.dog"​fake coins are not always magnetic...if not magnetic does not mean the coin is original...
​I agree
Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
bbybugs Referente catalogo
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Your 1st (year 10), 2nd (year 3) and 4th (year 9) are real for me. ;)
Since I don't have 3rd (Gan-Su) and 5th (countermarked), so I can't compare with.
oddrunar
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Thanks bbybugs! i wil send it in and post the result here.
bbybugs Referente catalogo
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5th coin (year 3) is no problem, but "contermarked" is different with catalog, I doubt it was deliberately forged, made it for higher market value.

Good luck!
SStefanov Referente catalogo
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Your coin is from Japan's conquest of Manchuria/China region/. The so called 1 Dollar - Yuan Shi-kai from 1914

Here it is: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces16006.html

The majority of them are fakes or at least in a silver bath.

rarely there would be a real one these days :)

I hope this helps,

Kind regards,

Stefan
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Melius est esse unum numero in villa, quam numerus duo in metropoli.
9:25 STEFANUS
KennyG
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With Chinese coins, there is always the possibility of them being counterfeit. But much of my skepticism is with the 1st and 4th coins, which have rims that are similar to fakes. Rounded, slightly offstruck, and oddly thin or thick rims are a hidden factor in determining fakes. Other factors, especially for these two, are wear at low points, and high relief at high points.

...or you can look at the edge and see if the reeding is consistent.
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PetrusAscanus
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thanks Kenny!
Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
oddrunar
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I agree on 1 and 4. Thanks.
eazy.dog
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Cita: "bbybugs"​5th coin (year 3) is no problem, but "contermarked" is different with catalog, I doubt it was deliberately forged, made it for higher market value.
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​Good luck!
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​looks very fake for me..
oddrunar
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i used one week last august looking in every street vendor in Hong kong for old coin. Think i baught 40 coin. if 10 are okey i am happy. payd maybe 25 usd per coin. Same time as pcgs Coin show. Coin 3 i had to clean because it had some pumbs. Thaught it look like casted. but it looks genuin after cleaning. Now i have to unclean it. :-(
I wil ask for non grading just genuin or not for that coin. Do somone know the coin that have the stamp on the right side, with asian letter?
oddrunar
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Cleaned
oggy
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They are all obvious fakes for me, with the possible exception of #5. (And I've not even looked at the details)
PetrusAscanus
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Cita: "oddrunar"​Now i have to unclean it. :-(


​hard boil an egg, scramble it in a plastic box with a lid.
Put the coin on his side in the box.
After a few minutes you will have a nice silver patina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BixzLd__k-c
Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
oddrunar
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All come back not genuine, for the record.
eazy.dog
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Cita: "oddrunar"​All come back not genuine, for the record.
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ok sad, but thank you for reply!
wildtvm
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Hi, Got this coin from a collection. Would be grateful to know whether this one is real or not.
Kindly comment. Thanks in advance .. weight : 26.4 gms
PetrusAscanus
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Cita: "wildtvm"​
​Hi, Got this coin from a collection. Would be grateful to know whether this one is real or not.
​Kindly comment. Thanks in advance .. weight : 26.4 gms
​Welcome to Numista

please try a magnet....
Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
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