Sa'dian sharifs coins? [Risolto]

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yvevmax
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I identified only 2 (1 Abd Allah al Ghalib & 1 Abu al Abbas) of 9 coins that seems to be sa'dian sharifs (Morocco)
Here are 7 silver coins still to be identified:

DiSa3: 14 mm

DiSa4: 14 mm

DiSa5: 15 mm

DiSa6: 14 mm


DiSa7: 12-13 mm

DiSa8: 14 mm



DiSa9: 12-13 mm


Thanks for your help.
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#4 Abu Muhammad ‘Abd Allah al-Ghalib 965-981 / 1557-1574, Fès mint
Some of the coins, like yours, have a dash between Abu and Muhammad on the reverse side.
AmerSalmeh
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Cita: "numisquare"​#4 Abu Muhammad ‘Abd Allah al-Ghalib 965-981 / 1557-1574, Fès mint
​Some of the coins, like yours, have a dash between Abu and Muhammad on the reverse side.
​Agreed, from the details visible on the coin, they perfectly match the pic on this one
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces158535.html
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OK, solved for #4 but don't you think that #3 and maybe this new coin (#10) below are also from Abd Allah al Ghalib?


The 2 end lines seem similar, no?
yvevmax
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Again this small silver coin, bought in Morocco, a bit strange
Diameter is 14 mm and thiner than the other ones.
On one side you can see a 5-pointed star in the middle; maybe this coin is not from Morocco?
Sorry, the scan is not very good.


Any idea?
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#8 is also from Abu Muhammad 'Abd Allah al-Ghalib 965-981 / 1557-1574. Mint is at the bottom of the second image but I cannot read it.
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#3 is from Ahmad al-Mansur 986-1012 / 1578-1603 (KM uses the name Ahmad II). I do not detect a mint name. Al-Mansur is visible near the top of the second image: المنصور .
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Cita: "numisquare"​#8 is also from Abu Muhammad 'Abd Allah al-Ghalib 965-981 / 1557-1574. Mint is at the bottom of the second image but I cannot read it.
​I believe it's same as #4
mint looks same as
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Cita: "yvevmax"​OK, solved for #4 but don't you think that #3 and maybe this new coin (#10) below are also from Abd Allah al Ghalib?
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​The 2 end lines seem similar, no?
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​Al-Mansur is very visible. centre of left image
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yvevmax
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According to me, #5 seems to be Abd Allah al Ghalil.
To resume:
#3 & #10: Al Mansur
#4, #5, #8: Abd Allah al Ghalib with #4 from Fes.

So I 'll condider this post nearly solved and I will ask to close it.

In fact, it remains #6, #7 & #9....I'll check on the French Forum, any idea for these 3 coins...
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#6 is from Muhammad al-Mutawakkil 891-894 / 1574-1576.
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Dirham of the Sa’dian ruler Muhammad al-Mutawakkil 891-894 / 1574-1576.

Galal, Naiera Rafik: The Inscriptions on the movable monuments of Morocco during the reign of the Sa'dian sharfs 916-1069 A.H 1510-1659 AD : an archaeological comparative study. Cairo 2010. Coin #84.
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#7
Try Sa’dian ruler Ahmad b.Mahammad 1578-1604


#7 from above //////////////////// ANS 1921.54.1515
yvevmax
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Great thanks numisquare for your time; I think that these two last coins were not so easy to find.
As far I know, according to the mentionned dates: "Ahmad b.Mahammad" is also known as Abu l' Abbas Ahmad, Ahmed el-Mansour. I have other coins where it is mentionned El Mansour.
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Thanks. Ahmad el-Mansour is the name in the legend on the coin.
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Dirham of the Sa’dian ruler Muhammad al-Mutawakkil 891-894 / 1574-1576.

Galal, Naiera Rafik: The Inscriptions on the movable monuments of Morocco during the reign of the Sa'dian sharfs 916-1069 A.H 1510-1659 AD : an archaeological comparative study. Cairo 2010. Coin #84.

@numisquare Any possibility of getting that paper? Seems to be impossible to find and it is the only authority on these types of coins.

A gallery of my coins and artifacts can been seen on FORVM Ancient Coins
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The author of the Ph.D. dissertation is now writing a catalog on the coins of the Sa'dian Dynasty. It is about 60% finished. It will include 500+ varieties and data from about 2200 examples.

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