Piedfort Coin Type

Would it be possible to have the Piedfort added as a coin type, that way i can un-tick it have not have it appear in advanced searches.

I would count these as pattern strikes.
Same also as Material variants.

definitely not pattern strikes. Material variant maybe.

EDIT 3: a glitch in the site deleted my entire comment while I was adding another line. I don't have enough time to rewrite it at the moment, but I'll try to do that within 24 hours.

(TL/DR: piedforts are usually patterns, but there was a bunch of long paragraphs explaining this in more detail.)

If this happens again and you are still on the same site try pessing ctrl+z to undo the deletion or what ever else your language setting or OS uses.

Cita: "Idolenz"​If this happens again and you are still on the same site try pessing ctrl+z to undo the deletion or what ever else your language setting or OS uses.

​I'll try, but it's unlikely to work.

Here's how it looks like from my side:
- I click on Send
- the text in the comment box disappears
- a few seconds later, the post confirmation page is loaded
- when I click through to see the comment, it is empty

Presumably the "solution" is then the following:
- immediately after the text disappears, use Ctrl-Z
- if it reappears (I doubt, but if), immediately copy it all before it sends, in case it disappears again
- then click Send again, still within the few seconds before the confirmation page loads
- there are now two comments, one of which is empty, and the other hopefully contains the needed text; report the empty one for deletion

Yet again, I very much doubt that it would work, but I suppose it couldn't hurt to try. Who knows.


It had happened to me a few times before... having been burned by some unfortunate deletions, I tend to use Ctrl-C to backup the comment when it's really long, but I don't always remember, sometimes I forget that I have a backup in my buffer and copy something else, and this particular comment was only a few hundred words long, so I might not have realized that it deserved a backup.

...OK, it's been far more than 24 hours, and I don't really recall what I was trying to write originally, so I'll just summarize my thoughts.

Immediate comment: piedforts aren't really common enough for their own separate category. Besides, they're pretty much just another kind of pattern anyway.
With that in mind...

Well, as I've already mentioned, normally, piedforts are a kind of pattern, and the Numista classification reflects this.
There are some exceptions when it's not the case, however.

1) France and Israel, at least, used to regularly make yearly piedfort sets of circulating types, in Israel's case in quite significant amounts; it's hard to call such regular issues patterns - they might be more like NCLT. (Were they legal tender? I'm not sure.)
Similarly, the UK was, and still is, regularly making piedfort versions of circulating commemoratives (and even of some standard circulation coins), again in quite significant amounts; those are, yet again, more like NCLT than patterns, though, just as with the above, presumably the defining issue is whether they are/were legal tender (which might be hard to figure out).

2) Many NCLT issues are made in regular and piedfort versions, with no real reason to claim that one of the version is real NCLT and the other isn't. In this case both are non-circulating coins.
In a few Israeli cases (and perhaps also elsewhere?), there is in fact no "regular" version of the piedfort; it might be a matter of philosophical dispute whether coins such as this or this really should be called piedforts at all.

3) Some very old piedforts were made back when the distinction between NCLT and patterns was even looser than it is now, and so was the distinction between circulating coins and NCLT; this means that this type is listed as a standard circulation coin - it probably wasn't really such, but we might not necessarily be able to tell what it was.
A bunch of similar coins (thickened by factors other than 2) are listed as "thick strikes" (especially for Hungary).

Hi,

I am following this up in this thread:
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic93269.html#p783649

I created a new one because it's not just about Piedforts, but a more comprehensive system for patterns and trials.