'Not issued' banknotes [Risolto]

Can we have another type of banknote, Not issued.



There are some old Serbian notes that were never actually in circulation, since the king died (actually was killed) before they were put into circulation.

Edit: Actually no, the underline text is not correct. They were printed just to finance the war. But were never in circulation.

Would be handy for Germany as well...

The term 'Unissued Remainder banknote' would be better.

Aidan.

Doesn't "remainder" imply that the type was issued but that these particular examples were never released for circulation? That's always how I understood the term.

Cita: "ceh2019"​Doesn't "remainder" imply that the type was issued but that these particular examples were never released for circulation? That's always how I understood the term.

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An Unissued Remainder is a note that was prepared for, but never put into circulation for one reason or another.

Aidan.

I proposed something similar here:
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic95138.html

I think "Non-circulating banknote" will be consistent with the "Non-circulating coin" category we already have.

However, I do not agree that this should be applicable to remainders. These are listed as varieties on the same page with the issued notes, which are usually general/local banknotes. We cannot have two categories for the same page.

Cita: "stratocaster"​I proposed something similar here:
​https://en.numista.com/forum/topic95138.html
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​I think "Non-circulating banknote" will be consistent with the "Non-circulating coin" category we already have.
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​However, I do not agree that this should be applicable to remainders. These are listed as varieties on the same page with the issued notes, which are usually general/local banknotes. We cannot have two categories for the same page.
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The non-circulating banknotes are the notaphilic products offered for sale above their face value - such as the Bangladeshi Commemorative Notes & the Polish commemorative 19 Zlotych.

Those Swiss unissued notes are Unissued Remainder notes - like the 1985 200 & 500 Mark from East Germany.

East Germany also had a series of military notes, which were never put into circulation - so those are also Unissued Remainder notes as well.

Aidan.

I think "remainder" should apply to either the complete run of a banknote printing that never circulated for one reason or another although meant for circulation originally or to those remnants of actual circulating notes that can be distinguished in some way from those that actually circulated. I just modified the data of an Azerbaijan People's Government note to show a remainder variety that lacked the handstamp and perforation of the issued note. There were also 2 actual circulating varieties. True non-circulating notes can be covered in a comment in the year list or general comments on the applicable page.

Will

Hello,
I'm merging here the discussion about having a type for ‘not issued’ banknotes, reserve banknotes and/or remainder banknotes.

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic133006.html

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic95138.html

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic97527.html 

My 4 cents’ worth on this.

Unissued notes, Non-circulating banknotes, Specimen notes, Proofs, and Remainder notes are all different.

‘Unissued Notes’ ought to be the term for completed banknotes produced for issue, but which were not issued.
The others should continue to be listed in the comments section, as they were not issuable or intended for issue.

‘Remainder’ can be a slightly ambiguous term – in my understanding is a term applied to a surplus stock of notes, either complete or incomplete which was not issued for various reasons. In scwpm, it was used to cover a range of items.

NOT ISSUED banknotes in most of the cases are available on the market. Somehow part of that banknotes slipped out from the printer, national bank or others who get them printed before it was decided for any reason not to be released into circulation.

 

The most important condition to call a banknote NOT ISSUED is that it must be an official banknote aproved and designed by the authorities.

Otherwise it is a fantasy, privat issue.

 

That is also a very usefull field to filter banknotes. Many collectors are interested only in banknotes that were used in circulation. “Not issued” banknotes are often very expencive and also UNC grade most of the time.

 

“Remainder” is a term not used all over the world and it is not the same as NOT ISSUED banknote. There is a very big difference. As I know, remaiders are banknotes that were left in the printer or national bank treasury for different reasons like banknotes with missing signatures, missing serial number… A stock of banknotes left in the storage and never left in circulation.

 

“Not circulating” banknotes and also something else. Some states issue commemorative banknotes that are sold only in folders and are not released for circulations but only to sell to collectors like the “non circulating” coins.

 

For all other types of banknotes it is easy as they can be listed as a variety in year lines; specimens, replacement notes, remainders, notes with some errors… Because the design and the P# is always the same, maybe with an addition, for example P#14, P#14a, P#14s…

@Xavier the banknote types have been updated, but definitions in guidelines not

https://en.numista.com/help/type-155.html

 

among others missing a final description of “non-circulating banknote”

Thanks, I modified this page of the guidelines.

More pages of the guidelines need to be updated following the changes of catalogue categories.