Who else is in favour of a separate Community & Complementary Currency Notes section?

Who else, apart from me, is in favour of a separate Community & Complementary Currency Notes section?

If there was, all the main Notgeld note listings should be transferred to it - along with the Italian 1970's emergency notes.

Aidan.

I am not. I just really do not see the benifit of creating a separate section for these.

German Notgeld seem good under Germany. Austrian Notgeld seem good under Austria. We have local notes under Russia, India, and China, which all seem good under their parent countries. And I imagine those Italian ones could fit nicely under Italy.

To me, everything seems pretty good where it is already.

There is a lot of community & complementary currencies that have been in use around the world - including in the U.K., where they circulate along with the Pound Sterling, & in European Union countries, where they circulate along with the Euro.

Between the 2 World Wars, Worgl in Austria was issuing its own Schilling notes as part of the famous 'Worgl Experiment'.

Canada has quite a few community currencies - including Toronto Dollars & Canadian Tire notes.

The U.S.A. has hundreds of community currencies - especially the BerkShares & the Ithaca Hours.

Orania in South Africa has the Ora, which circulates along with the Rand in that town in Northern Cape Province.

South America has a lot of community currencies - especially in Communist Venezuela.

Aidan.

Create that section and watch it filled with every piece of paper with a number, or not, on it.

I cannot speak for the majority of those notes, but I would absolutely hate to see notgelds listed alongside Canadian Tire money. The first was issued by a city (or other geographical division) due to emergency reasons; the latter (while still collectable) was issued by a corporation as a coupon, valid only in their stores.

'Tokens' seems a lot more like a coin term than a banknote term, but assuming most of those notes you mentioned are in the same catagory as Canadian Tire money, those belong in the 'Tokens' sections.

Should our banknote 'Tokens' section be re-named to something more banknote-like? I could agree with that. But should our notgelds be moved to that section? No.

Canadian Tire Money should not be added to numista. There us an excellent site for it all ready and I don't feel Numista can add anything to it. CTM is so large it would be a full time job to maintain. I would not recommend CTM to this site.
I am also against the Chinese food ration tickets. Again their diversity is so great it will bog us down with work and policing.
Just my opinion.

"Canadian Tire Money should not be added to numista. "
- I agree. I have seen a lot of posts pushing postal orders, coupons, fantasy notes as currency & it really is an endless "slippery slope" gentlemen. They're all simply niche fields of collecting.

IMO: it would be nice to see this site focus solely on national/state run or central bank currencies (& not local "notgeld" currency at all) but I'm sure this won't happen as the "cats out of the bag" now.

For me, the question is the degree to which a given article (coin, note, whatever) circulated and was accepted as money. If a piece could only be accepted at a single company's outlets, it's a token. A great many people collect tokens (entire stalls at dealer fairs are devoted to them), so there's nothing wrong in having them somewhere within Numista. However, we must be able to keep them separate from pieces which were generally accepted and used as money. These pieces form the core of numismatics and need to be the primary offering of a site like Numista.
What we should completely exclude are fantasy issues that were never for one moment considered money. These have no place in numismatics.
We also need to be very careful about postal orders. A few were used as money but the vast majority were akin to cheques, a single use item for transferring funds, i.e., not money. Is it being proposed that "Community & Complementary Currency Notes" includes postal orders? If so, I cannot see a connection.

If you go to the Tokens section on the coin side, you will find sections for Advertising Tokens, Casino Tokens, Merchandise Tokens, and Parking Tokens, to name a few. Can anyone make a token? Basically... yes. But all these tokens have a purpose, and there are people who collect them like any other numismatic item.

So yes, on the banknote side, Canadian Tire money will be accepted in the Tokens section. If they were not allowed, we likely wouldn't even have a Tokens section in the first place.

With that being said, if you look under the 'My collection' tab, you will see 'My coins' and 'My banknotes'. There has been talk of adding a 'My tokens' section. I definitely think that would look nice--Tokens having their own country list rather than having tens of thounsands of listings all within the same issuer would definitely bring some organization. Something like this would also confine the tokens to their own section of the catalogue, which could also look nice.

But 'My tokens' is lower priority. For now, tokens are listed within the issuer 'Tokens'. And if you do not like that... just don't go to that section.

"But all these tokens have a purpose, and there are people who collect them like any other numismatic item...
So yes, on the banknote side, Canadian Tire money will be accepted in the Tokens section"-Sulfur
That makes sense to me. Excellent rational & compromise!

I think Sulfur makes some very good points.

Canadian Tire notes are actually Canada's second national currency, as a lot of businesses in Canada DO accept them as payment - & even up on http://ebay.ca , Canadian Tire notes is mentioned as an acceptable form of payment.

Yes, there is even a numismatic society dedicated to them - with their website here; http://www.ctccc.ca/ .

They have even published catalogues - in both English & French versions.

Aidan.

I would argue that Canadian Tire bills go in the token section, because they are in-store loyalty program rewards. While some other places accept said bills, they are few and far between. Here's what the Wikipedia page says:

"Canadian Tire money, officially Canadian Tire 'money'[1] or CTM is a loyalty program operated by the Canadian retail chain Canadian Tire. It consists of coupons, issued by the company, which resemble real banknotes. It can be used as scrip in Canadian Tire stores, but is not considered a private currency."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Tire_money

Correct me if I'm wrong, but these are not official currency and as such belong in the token section.

EDIT: fixed a typo.