Issuers and currency for Portugal [Risolto]

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Hi can we add this Issuers for Portugal

Tesouro Imperial (Imperial Treasury) 1797-1807
- War of The Two Brothers) 1826-1828

Banco de Portugal - Reis 1847-1910
- Escudos 1910-2000

Casa da Moeda - Reis 1891
- Escudos 1917-1925

The currency in Portugal before 1910 was Reis not Real, Reis translate for Kings.
Cita: "Benficarlos"​The currency in Portugal before 1910 was Reis not Real, Reis translate for Kings.

​The singular was real, meaning royal. This can be seen in the modern Brazilian currency.
Please do add the issuers, although I see no reason to divide them between the two currencies.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
Cita: "ceh2019"
Cita: "Benficarlos"​The currency in Portugal before 1910 was Reis not Real, Reis translate for Kings.

​​The singular was real, meaning royal. This can be seen in the modern Brazilian currency.
​Please do add the issuers, although I see no reason to divide them between the two currencies.
​The singular for Reis is Rei (king). Plural for Real is Reais. Reis was also the old currency in Brazil but nothing to so with the actual name.
All catalogues give the singular as real and the plural as réis (or reis, the accent seems to have been optional). Do you have evidence to the contrary? The modern plural used in Brazil is reais but it was reis up to 1942 when the first cruzeiro was introduced.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
on WPM and Banknotebook catalog the plural for Real in Brazil is as Reais... the Singular for Reis to be Rei in Portugal and Brazil I don't have anything to prove that other that I'm Portuguese.
Clearly, in modern Portuguese, there is only one meaning of reis - king. Equally, the modern plural of real is reais. However, this was not the case before 1910 in Portugal and 1942 in Brazil, when the term real had the plural réis. The Portuguese Wikpedia article "Real (moeda portuguesa)" begins with

O real (no plural: reais, mais tarde popularizado como réis) foi a unidade de moeda de Portugal desde cerca de 1430 até 1911.

Does that explain it?
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
Cita: "ceh2019"​Clearly, in modern Portuguese, there is only one meaning of reis - king. Equally, the modern plural of real is reais. However, this was not the case before 1910 in Portugal and 1942 in Brazil, when the term real had the plural réis. The Portuguese Wikpedia article "Real (moeda portuguesa)" begins with

​O real (no plural: reais, mais tarde popularizado como réis) foi a unidade de moeda de Portugal desde cerca de 1430 até 1911.

​Does that explain it?
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The modern Real currency ( since 1994 ) in Brazil has Reais as its plural.

The pre-1942 Real currency in Brazil followed the Portuguese standard - plural less than 1,000 = Reis, & plural of 1,000 & higher is Mil Reis.

Rei has the same meaning as Rey does in Spanish - means 'King' - as in 'Rei de Portugal' & 'Rey de Espana'.

Aidan.

BenficarlosHi can we add this Issuers for Portugal

Tesouro Imperial (Imperial Treasury) 1797-1807
- War of The Two Brothers) 1826-1828

Banco de Portugal - Reis 1847-1910
- Escudos 1910-2000

Casa da Moeda - Reis 1891
- Escudos 1917-1925

The currency in Portugal before 1910 was Reis not Real, Reis translate for Kings.

Those would be issuing entities more than issuers.

Can you please give an example of entry for each of them?

The Bank of Portugal has already been added.

Casa da Moeda: N#340081

Tesouro Imperial: http://banknote.ws/COLLECTION/countries/EUR/POR/POR0005.htm

These aren't banks but they are issuers. Entities are supposed to be non-financial organizations, aren't they?

Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.

Many financial institutions are issuing entities

1 example: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?ct=coin&ie=Bank+of++Central+African+States

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Many financial institutions are issuing entities

1 example: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?ct=coin&ie=Bank+of++Central+African+States

 

The Bank of Central African States & the Bank of West African States are actually the central banks of 2 monetary unions - functioning almost like the European Central Bank.

 

Aidan.

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Compendium

Many financial institutions are issuing entities

1 example: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?ct=coin&ie=Bank+of++Central+African+States

 

The Bank of Central African States & the Bank of West African States are actually the central banks of 2 monetary unions - functioning almost like the European Central Bank.

 

Aidan.

And?

 

I dont know much about portuguese Imperial Treasury but we could assume it was comparable, right?

If we treat the UK Treasury as an issuing entity but entered in the issuing bank field, why shouldn't we do the same for the Portuguese Treasury?

Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.

ceh2019

If we treat the UK Treasury as an issuing entity but entered in the issuing bank field, why shouldn't we do the same for the Portuguese Treasury?

 

Banknote issuers should be in the pull-down menu - including for the Treasury of the Portuguese Republic.

 

Aidan.

ceh2019

If we treat the UK Treasury as an issuing entity but entered in the issuing bank field, why shouldn't we do the same for the Portuguese Treasury?

Issuing bank feature does not exist for coins I believe

Stato cambiato a Fatto (Jarcek, 11 Ott 2023, 15:43)

I added these, even though I am lost in the yearspans.

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Hello everybody!

 

To try to provide a little more clarification about Real x Réis, currently the monetary unit in Brazil is, in fact, the REAL, whose plural is REAIS.

 

Until the beginning of the 1940s here in Brazil and in different periods in other countries (especially Portugal and its colonies), the monetary unit was the REAL which, due to linguistic variation at the time, the plural was named RÉIS.

 

With time passing and inflation accumulating, it practically led to the monetary unit being commonly called "MIL-RÉIS" at that time.

 

In summary: REAIS and RÉIS are both the plural of REAL. The first is used today and the second was the linguistic variation of the time. =)

 

In any case, REAL is the name of the monetary unit in the past and present.

 

Greetings,

Vladimir

Vladimir
Catalogue Administrator and Banknote Master Referee.

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