Gamification through activity badges?

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Hi everyone ! 

For sure Numista success depends on users' engagement to use features.

Gamification is a great way for collaborative websites to thrive.

I suggest we create badges in users page, which are unblocked at certain events. For instance:

- you published your first page

- you added your first auction result

- you shared 50 images

- you modified 100 entries

- you sent 500 posts in forum

- you completed 20 swaps

- you connected every weeks for 6 months

- you added 1000 coins to your collection

- you are a premium Numista user

- you published in all forum sections

- you published in different language forum

- your collection gather coins from 10 countries

 

And so on (dozens could be created, with different thresholds in various categories). It can also be differentiated per section (coins, banknotes, exonumia).

 

Each badge could have a specific design and name like “coins expert level 20”, “forum pillar”, “master of revisions”, “world-class collector” etc etc

 

WDYT?

We had something like this years ago and personally I don't like this kind of pointless pissing contest (I know it's not meant as such but it will inevitably be used as such).

Idolenz

We had something like this years ago and personally I don't like this kind of pointless pissing contest (I know it's not meant as such but it will inevitably be used as such).

I understand it could be seen this way, but I feel recognition is motivating, and badges systems have proven their efficiency in this purpose.
It can be smartly made I believe :-)
It is also a great way to nudge people use feature they didn't even noticed, juste to get the badge (at first, but then hopefully they see the value in it)

I would not be against it, but I am unsure if there would be requests for “nothing” but a badge. (Yeah, weird to hear that from me, when I am creating thousands of small requests out there..)

Catalogue administrator

Lol, who needs Xbox achievements, when I could be earning Numista achievements. 😯

 

-Dan

I upvote for badges for those who help to improve the catalog.

We are on a participative and cooperative site open to all without discrimination, in a common activity where everyone collaborates in fact.
In my opinion this proposal would create a spirit of competition aimed at his personal ego, adding decorations to figures already present
Unlike a game, there are no successive levels to accumulate in order to hope to be useful to others according to one's means, possibilities or skills.
That said, the idea deserved to be addressed and debated.

BOINC

I find gamification amusing, and it does motivate some people.

 

One request: If you send nag messages ("Only 5623 more edits to get the Master Editor Badge!") that you allow users to disable those messages.

 

The levels in the original post for a badge are high:
 

- you modified 100 entries

- you sent 500 posts in forum

The way most badge systems work is starting small to bring people in. The first forum post would get a recognition ("Novice poster"). And then after a few more there would be an upgrade. And the top end badge would probably be well before 500 – at some point posting has become a habit and doesn't need encouragement.

bjherbison

The levels in the original post for a badge are high

Yes totally! Indeed I put random thresholds but in my mind there would be a badge for first even of each category then a scale depending on the feature: 

- another badge at 2nd entry created, then 3rd, then 5th etc

- another badge at 3rd entry modified, then 5th, then 10th etc

- another badge at 5th post sent, then 10th, etc

CREPOSUC

In my opinion this proposal would create a spirit of competition aimed at his personal ego, adding decorations to figures already present

I disagree: symbolic rewards are not bad things per se, it is imo just about acknowledging the fact that improving Numista do take a huge amount of collective time and brain. It is also a great way for newbies to understand they can contribute :-)

I kind of like any idea that will help in getting more and more people to participate.

 

In this case, how we should do it ? I will let you brainstorm between yourselves but remember, someone will have to put this in place and support it. It should be simple as it can be, at least to start with.

 

Here is my thinking, if the goal is to get people to participate, I kind of agree with the idea of easy earnable batches. At least, one batch in every aspect of users participation we want to promote. But I'm asking myself do we really need levels like Novice, Expert, Master and so on. 

 

Continue to brainstorm, it can only end up in a better Numista.

 

Best regards,

Québécois

Ancienement, référent du Canada /  FYI former referee for Canada

Google put “figures”, I was talking about Census, Counts

 

  already visible

BOINC

Will there be a badge “collecting now for a millenia and still married”. Emphasis on married + I don't want to turn this debate in wrong direction, but little humor does not hurt?

😎

I think it would be better to maybe make a monthly numista awards were badges are given out for the top contributors.

Outings Administrator

I really like all the ideas that have been discussed here and I think they are an interesting way to encourage participation.

 

Even if a slight competition is generated, which someone has commented as something negative, can always be positive for the web in general, since any change or improvement made in a catalog page is always welcome.

 

Possibly I would focus on personal milestones that can help improve the catalog (added pages, edited pages, introduced auctions, etc...) and separating these milestones by categories (coins, banknotes and exonumia). 

 

Setting milestones such as coins introduced into your personal collection could lead to a competition to see who has the most coins in their collection, or more countries/issuers, or more different types, and I don't know if that helps the growth and improvement of Numista (although I'm not against this being done either).

 

I also believe that these types of ideas help to recognize those users involved in the growth of Numista because, although the effort made and its subsequent recognition do not influence any specific benefit, we all like to be recognized when we have an altruistic personal involvement in a common project. 😉

 

Let's see what the administrators and big boss think about it!!!

Coin referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea, Marshall Islands, Moldova, Liberia and Spain
Banknote referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea and Spain

I both like it and dislike it. What I noticed when the Catalogue contributions appeared on the profile page, was that a lot of members made a lot of pointless change requests, such as adding a full stop, adding/deleting a “the” or a “a”, rearranging word order, etc., and I fear this will start again if badges was added. 

 

If badges like “Have XXX countries in collection” are awarded, these will be easy for people to cheat, but yet, who cares? For a “normal” person it probably means more to achieve a badge than for the one who “cheats” to get it. After all, the badges are for personal progress – just like filling the dashboard map – and it only impress oneself. There's also a chance the forum will be filled with spam posts just to get badges. So maybe if I write 50 posts and 45 gets deleted, I only recieve 5 posts.

 

The badges I achieve, will they be visible for everyone, or will the be, just like the dashboard map, only visible to me? If the latter, I really like the idea.

oynbcn

Possibly I would focus on personal milestones that can help improve the catalog (added pages, edited pages, introduced auctions, etc...) and separating these milestones by categories (coins, banknotes and exonumia). 

As I mentioned previously, I like the idea of encouraging some people (those motivated by badges) to improve Numista. I agree in badges per category are appropriate, but I also think that adding additional badges for people who meet the same badge in all three categories is another way to reward/encourage people.

 

ngdawa

The badges I achieve, will they be visible for everyone, or will the be, just like the dashboard map, only visible to me? If the latter, I really like the idea.

I personally don't mind having my badges public (and I don't mind having my edit count public). But we don't want badges to discourage anyone so an option to control whether badges are public or private (or not shown/announced to the editor?) would be useful if public display turns off some editors. Should the public display of badges be opt-in or opt-out?

Hi

 

Generally I see at least five types of badges:

  1. Owners badges 🤑
  2. Contribution badges 👍
  3. Forum badges 💬
  4. Swap badges 🥇
  5. Sleazy badges 👎

 

First type is pretty straight forward. User owns "x" number of this and that.

Second one should be clearly split up by approved pictures or other data.

Third one I would like to see a possibility to add some kind of approval of forum posts. In case a post gets more than 10 approvals, this goes into the counter. This should dissuade people to just post something deeply unimportant.

Fourth type is also pretty straight forward. User made or currently stands at “x” number of each end types of swap monitor statuses.

Fifth type is tricky, but would dissuade people of doing scammer swaps, spewing out BS or insulting forum posts. I would call these self remedy badges, and the system should also provide a chance to redeem your self by getting better and eliminate these badges.

 

I would care to see that for each badge user can set its visibility (except for the fourth and fifth type, as explained above).

 

Best regards!

bjherbison

ngdawa

The badges I achieve, will they be visible for everyone, or will they be, just like the dashboard map, only visible to me? If the latter, I really like the idea.

I personally don't mind having my badges public (and I don't mind having my edit count public). But we don't want badges to discourage anyone so an option to control whether badges are public or private (or not shown/announced to the editor?) would be useful if public display turns off some editors. Should the public display of badges be opt-in or opt-out?

I don't mind them being public either, but what I meant was that if they're hidden, it would prevent people from spamming the forum and making pointless change requests, etc. since noone else would see it.

 

Another question, though. Would we all start from zero (in forum posts, added coins, page chabges, etc.), or would our current states be counted?

Not a fan of the idea.  Coin collecting is not a competition. It is a passion, practiced by collectors who take their hobby seriously, investing thousands of hours (and a lot of money) collecting, learning, cataloging and preserving these circular pieces of history.  

 

Numista is the Gold Standard in coin collection sites, well designed with a treasure trove of information. Let's not lower the standard of what we have here by catering to what someone already adequately described as a pi***ng contest.

Les bas de tableau devraient laisser faire les têtes de liste, ils ne les rattraperont pas.

The bottom of the table should let the heads of the list do, they will not catch up with them.

BOINC

ngdawa

bjherbison

ngdawa

The badges I achieve, will they be visible for everyone, or will they be, just like the dashboard map, only visible to me? If the latter, I really like the idea.

I personally don't mind having my badges public (and I don't mind having my edit count public). But we don't want badges to discourage anyone so an option to control whether badges are public or private (or not shown/announced to the editor?) would be useful if public display turns off some editors. Should the public display of badges be opt-in or opt-out?

I don't mind them being public either, but what I meant was that if they're hidden, it would prevent people from spamming the forum and making pointless change requests, etc. since noone else would see it.

 

Another question, though. Would we all start from zero (in forum posts, added coins, page chabges, etc.), or would our current states be counted?

I don't think it makes much sense to start from zero, the logical thing is that all the work done by each user up to this point is taken into account.

Coin referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea, Marshall Islands, Moldova, Liberia and Spain
Banknote referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea and Spain

I have thought about this while I believe that the concept can be rewarding in competition, it can be also dissuading and come with a unneeded “race” for badges. There are some badges though that could be used without creation this situation:

 

  • "Years of service" badge - how many years one is member of Numista
  • Staff badges - based on team position (we could eliminate those referee forum footnotes)
Catalogue administrator

Thanks folks for all these discussions!

To answer some elements:

- yes ofc collecting is a passion and not a competition. My point was absolutely not to reward big collectors, but to encourage big website contributors, which is not the same. I personnally contribute a lot but am a very small collector for instance ^^

- my very goal was mainly to let all users understanding in a fun way how Numista can benefit from their actions (if I see that a badge exists for auction sales, maybe I have more probability to try to add one myself); a badge is an easy nudge.

- I truly believe the bad spirit of competition feared by some of you cannot happen. There will always be a handful of people trying for some unknown personal reasons to get attention on the web, lets not refrain from having fun all together for them imo ;-)

After seeing everyones points I think that the badges are a good idea, but badges about collecting should not be added. The badges about contributing to the catalog are a great Idea. 
 

However on what Jarcek said about added badges for positions, I dont think they should be in the same category but just a new icon that will display in the forum?

Outings Administrator

 Oh dear. I guess newer members did not know this was started and rejected eight years ago. 

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic43478.html [2015] 

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic53059.html [2016] 

Token collector [1600-1899] with some coins

ZacUK

 Oh dear. I guess newer members did not know this was started and rejected eight years ago. 

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic43478.html [2015] 

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic53059.html [2016] 

Thanks! Does not seem it was really rejected, more something like unfinished discussions :-)

Anyway this is quite some work on both back and frontend, so we need Xavier input regarding Numista features roadmap!

ZacUK

 Oh dear. I guess newer members did not know this was started and rejected eight years ago. 

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic43478.html [2015] 

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic53059.html [2016] 

I woulfn't say it was rejected. We still have the Catalogue contributions count. Numista points were accepted, but later withdrawn. So what was rejected?

Absolutely horrible idea.

Gamification is not necessary to the enjoyment of coins or numista. 

I don't think people should walk around in paper crowns or wear badges of any sort by being the lab rat that presses the button  the most.

Some governments think this would be a wonderful way to control the rabble. Or at least keep them distracted. 

2 cents. 

ard

Some governments think this would be a wonderful way to control the rabble. Or at least keep them distracted. 

You must be from the U.S. This is a so American comment. 😂

A mild ad hominem is your constructive response?

How flattering. 

ard

Absolutely horrible idea.

Gamification is not necessary to the enjoyment of coins or numista. 

I don't think people should walk around in paper crowns or wear badges of any sort by being the lab rat that presses the button  the most.

Some governments think this would be a wonderful way to control the rabble. Or at least keep them distracted. 

2 cents. 

All of this is just… what????

ard

Absolutely horrible idea.

Gamification is not necessary to the enjoyment of coins or numista. 

I don't think people should walk around in paper crowns or wear badges of any sort by being the lab rat that presses the button  the most.

Some governments think this would be a wonderful way to control the rabble. Or at least keep them distracted. 

2 cents. 

In 10 years here, you didnt made ONE catalog contribution, so lets consider you're probably not the target audience of my suggestion anyway ;-)

I like that idea a lot. I agree that collection rewards are a bad idea. We already have enough users who falsify the numbers with their fake collections.

 

But earning badges through useful contributions can only be a win. I basically do that for fun, but maybe other people will start because of that too (if you're not amongst them, then so be it. Everyone is different).

I don't think people should get badges just for the number of edits they make. Nobody really cares if you're correcting a spelling mistake.

But stuff like:

- Adding missing pictures

- Improving picture quality (from the small-picture search to a big enough one)

- Creating new coin entries

- Adding dimensions of a coin

- Adding auction results

 

and maybe even stuff like adding letterings and descriptions of the depictions could get badges/awards.

I just don't understand why you would need BADGES, you can see this in your own profiles of yourself and those of other members!

 

Trooper8: Catalogue contributions

4315 pages added, 6490 varieties added, 15 auction records added, 5198 edits

 

Sjoelund: Catalogue contributions

11 pages added, 23 varieties added, 0 auction records added, 7275 edits

 

and so what? Who is the best or the worst?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Sjoelund

I just don't understand why you would need BADGES, you can see this in your own profiles of yourself and those of other members!

 

Trooper8: Catalogue contributions

4315 pages added, 6490 varieties added, 15 auction records added, 5198 edits

 

Sjoelund: Catalogue contributions

11 pages added, 23 varieties added, 0 auction records added, 7275 edits

 

and so what?

Role of badges is not that much to reward already big contributors like you too folks. From my opinion, their main value is to nudge new contributors to understand all the ways they can contribute: if they see there exist a badge for when one add an auction, it could nudge them to try it and therefore help Numista catalogue have more auctions.

Another badge would exist for each possibility (post a thread in the forum, create a page, etc) and then there would be thresholds to help them contribute more (10 forum posts, 5 page creation, 20 modification requests, etc etc)

Compendium

Sjoelund

I just don't understand why you would need BADGES, you can see this in your own profiles of yourself and those of other members!

 

Trooper8: Catalogue contributions

4315 pages added, 6490 varieties added, 15 auction records added, 5198 edits

 

Sjoelund: Catalogue contributions

11 pages added, 23 varieties added, 0 auction records added, 7275 edits

 

and so what?

Role of badges is not that much to reward already big contributors like you too folks. From my opinion, their main value is to nudge new contributors to understand all the ways they can contribute: if they see there exist a badge for when one add an auction, it could nudge them to try it and therefore help Numista catalogue have more auctions.

Another badge would exist for each possibility (post a thread in the forum, create a page, etc) and then there would be thresholds to help them contribute more (10 forum posts, 5 page creation, 20 modification requests, etc etc)

I see you having some hard times explaining and defending this idea. I know how people were not so fond of some ideas in the past, but after implementing those, there is hardly a drop down in monthly new users. And with every new user this site becomes only stronger and more people tend to contribute. Stay cool. 😎

Sjoelund

I just don't understand why you would need BADGES, you can see this in your own profiles of yourself and those of other members!

 

Trooper8: Catalogue contributions

4315 pages added, 6490 varieties added, 15 auction records added, 5198 edits

 

Sjoelund: Catalogue contributions

11 pages added, 23 varieties added, 0 auction records added, 7275 edits

 

and so what? Who is the best or the worst?

Just for the art Sjoelunds brings to Numista, I think his comparison type pictures deserve separate field and separate counter. Maybe admins can write down some basic rules on how to make such explanatory pictures.

I've just reach a level:

 

237 pages added, 773 varieties added, 5 auction records added, 50,000 edits.

 

We don't need a badge but it would be nice to have some kind of recognition/acknowledgment. Maybe for a day… or something like a little icon "special contributor" by our name we can turn off/on as we wish. 😉

Québécois

Ancienement, référent du Canada /  FYI former referee for Canada

Thank you Québéquois for your great contributions for Numista🤩

If you like coins, medals and tokens with ship motives follow my new instagram account with regular updates @numisnautiker
From time to time I sell some coins on Ebay make sure to follow me @apuking on Ebay.

Congratulations! You are 4th current referee to pass that mark! 

 

Others are (in descending number of edits order):

  1. stratocaster
  2. Florino28
  3. zegeri

 

I discount myself, as I use semi-automatic script to do many changes. Also I discounted our Robot friend for obvious reasons.

 

EDIT: I switched zegeri and Florino28, sorry. It is now corrected.

Catalogue administrator
  1. stratocaster (64,307)
  2. Florino28 (57,346)
  3. zegeri (55,427)

 

If i'm looking at this correcly. 😉

 

P.S. I think these stats are erroneous, CREPOSUC has 63,207 but maybe it's because he's not a referee anymore ?!?

Québécois

Ancienement, référent du Canada /  FYI former referee for Canada

Corrected, I mixed them up, thanks for that. CREPOSUC is not currently a referee (and I believe he never was), and I was doing statistics only of current referees.

 

I also believe CREPOSUC deserves a praise for his work!

Catalogue administrator

Jarcek

I also believe CREPOSUC deserves a praise for his work!

Yes! He's doing an amazing job. Thank you! 🏅

Almost everybody helping Numista to improve deserves praise, so can't we just stop here?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Sjoelund

Almost everybody helping Numista to improve deserves praise, so can't we just stop here?

You are only modest 40k improvements short on praises 😎. 

Still, I like your pictures very much and if you ever come to Slovenia, give me a nudge and I will praise you with nice cold and tasty local beer. 🍺🍺🍺

Take care!

Yes, a cold beer invitation is a nice warm thought, so thank you. Should you come to Paris, just send me a line, since we have some good Belgian beer in town….🍺🍺🍺

 

Take care

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

apuking

Thank you Québéquois for your great contributions for Numista🤩

And thanks to you too for your exceptionnal contribution also, WoW 😲:

10,578 pages added, 23,133 varieties added, 77 auction records added, 48,250 edits

Easy earnable badges for beginners is a good idea to boost participation. For recognition for an exceptionnal participation, we could  implement a “top” contributor Icon for more “active” users (what ever the contribution field is). Kind of a select group of “Masters” or “Friends of Numista” thing. The Numista team members could select the “Friends of Numista” recipients based on their evaluation of a contibutor's participation, not only the stats in the profiles.
 

What do you think about this suggestion addition to yours Compendium ? 

Québécois

Ancienement, référent du Canada /  FYI former referee for Canada

I'll clap your shoulder, if you clap mine? Where are we heading?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

CREPOSUC

We are on a participative and cooperative site open to all without discrimination, in a common activity where everyone collaborates in fact.
In my opinion this proposal would create a spirit of competition aimed at his personal ego, adding decorations to figures already present
Unlike a game, there are no successive levels to accumulate in order to hope to be useful to others according to one's means, possibilities or skills.
That said, the idea deserved to be addressed and debated.

Since when do you have to be an arbitrator to propose modifications to the catalog to the arbitrators?
Should everyone only take care of their own chapel? And ask for a gratuity on top of that?
I have never been a referee otherwise I will be among the 114 alumni … and I should have found an excuse to be there
There are no statistics on the profile, but counts. Do you want proof or restore what was done?

 

Do you have to have Cancer to participate in research to defeat it? (signature)
Forums and social networks are a great base for studying the character of each participant.

BOINC

By adding a comma or a full stop on 50,000 pages your profile will be full of awards and badgets, but have you really contributed anything?

 

To me it doesn't matter how many pages one have edited or created. Of course a neat and informative catalogue is a huge advantage, but the knowledge we find in the forum is far more valuable in the long run.

 

You don't need money in your bank account to have lived a rich life.

Tell me when I inserted or moved a comma or period

BOINC

CREPOSUC

Tell me when I inserted or moved a comma or period

I had to double check if I had tagged you in my post by mistake, but I hadn't.

I guess it was the number you reacted on, and I probably should've gone even higher, let's say 100,000. 50,000 was still on my mind when I wrote the post, since it's such a high number, so I took it in my example as well.

 

As a referee I get hundreds requests to add a full stop, remove a full stop, change a full stop to a comma, etc. You wouldn't believe it if you saw it. So if we were to add contribution badges, these requests would probably be ten times more.

 

Don't doubt for a second I don't know you and the quality of your change requests. You have helped me a lot, and I really appreciate it! 🙏

Stop. That discussion is getting out of hand. Specially for a subject of no impor.tanece

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Sjoelund

Stop. That discussion is getting out of hand. Specially for a subject of no impor.tanece

Don't worry. It was just an misunderstanding. 😇

The important thing is not to discourage members who want to get involved in any way
When I was told “soon to be 50,000” I took it as a personal challenge to take up
I encourage everyone to choose 100,000 accepted (refusals are not counted)

BOINC

CREPOSUC

The important thing is not to discourage members who want to get involved in any way

Absolutely, but I'm just not sure if badges are the right way to go, even if it sounds lile a fun way to encourage people.

But I guess we had similar discussions about the Numista stats, and that worked out pretty well, I reckon.

Wow, so much activity here!

Quebecois to answer you: why not! But my idea was meant first not that much to reward already big contributors like all folks who answered here. From my opinion, their main value is to nudge new visitors and contributors to understand all the ways they can contribute: if they see there exist a badge for when one add an auction, it could nudge them to try it and therefore help Numista catalogue have more auctions.

Another badge would exist for each possibility (post a thread in the forum, create a page, etc) and then there would be thresholds to help them contribute more (10 forum posts, 5 page creation, 20 modification requests, etc etc)

Ofc we could have special rewards for you all who make Numista better everyday with thousands of improvements ;-)

It's not really or only as a reward but also for new members to identify experience members and seek advices from them if they need to. It will help creating links between new members and more aware members. 

Québécois

Ancienement, référent du Canada /  FYI former referee for Canada

Québécois

It not really or only as a reward but also for new members to identify experience members and seek advices from them if they need to. It will help creating links between new members and more aware members. 

Well that's actually a very good thought. I like that.

That would be great, but if we do not want to have subjective badges selected by (someone, comitee, admins) then such badges have to br selected by some objective criteria. And then we again hit the problem with “run on badges” and “tiny” contributions like adding a dot.

 

For a start, I would add a modification badge (yes, for one single approved modification) and forum post badge (for first post). Maybe we could also have “years of membership” badges. These are harmless for a start. 

Catalogue administrator

Jarcek

That would be great, but if we do not want to have subjective badges selected by (someone, comitee, admins) then such badges have to br selected by some objective criteria. And then we again hit the problem with “run on badges” and “tiny” contributions like adding a dot.

 

For a start, I would add a modification badge (yes, for one single approved modification) and forum post badge (for first post). Maybe we could also have “years of membership” badges. These are harmless for a start. 

Please don't, a class society in numista is a bad idea. They become harmful in the end. Numista has survived well without since nearly decades, please don't try to put anything like that in place!

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

That thing about adding a dot is making me smile, I don't know how many of my 50,000 edits are for dots but I suppose it's under 10. 😄

 

Most of my edits are for translating obverse and reverse descriptions texts, for standardising the titles and adding missing info in left blank fields. I think when a person gets to those level, it's not only dots they were adding. 😉

 

But hey, tiny contributions exists and it's with those tiny contributions that we all started and Numista ended up a better database because of them.

Québécois

Ancienement, référent du Canada /  FYI former referee for Canada

This is all the badges I need.

 

Being positive! That's, what it is all about? Numista used to be a community, where we all were on the same level, some contributing, some learning, some asking questions, some doing referee work. Those were the days, my friends, we thought they would never end, but now?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Québécois

It's not really or only as a reward but also for new members to identify experience members and seek advices from them if they need to. It will help creating links between new members and more aware members. 

 

 

A precision here, I was proposing for the “Friends of Numista” icon to be toggle on/off by the user if he feels he's getting to many requests for advices. Not like the badges proposition by Compendium that would be permanent I suppose.

Québécois

Ancienement, référent du Canada /  FYI former referee for Canada

Sjoelund

Being positive! That's, what it is all about? Numista used to be a community, where we all were on the same level, some contributing, some learning, some asking questions, some doing referee work.

This is, and should be, the definition of Numista.

Sjoelund

Being positive! That's, what it is all about? Numista used to be a community, where we all were on the same level, some contributing, some learning, some asking questions, some doing referee work. Those were the days, my friends, we thought they would never end, but now?

Yep. I am quite a new member and i like this database a lot, and am not planning to quit anytime soon. But i have seen quite a lot of topics where it seems like people are rude to eachother. Not to get to far off topic, i think gamification will make a competitive game of improvements of the catalogue and thereby decrease the quality of edits. Also, i think gamification is a bit weird for a database, but of course it is a nice method to encourage new members. To get a bit off topic again, i hope that everyone could be friendly and positive, just like Sjoelund pointed out 🙂.

TRC

*inspecting a Roman mintmark*

Wowwww, what a complicated topic, normally when there is a new topic I tend to agree or disagree, but with this... it's hard for me to decide. 

 

I think that gamification could be good so that users (new and not so new) would have more motivation to contribute to the Catalog, which is obviously positive. But I see few (some yes) new users writing here and many users who have been creating a kind of competition for some time, which I don't think is the main reason that was intended in the topic. 

 

In addition, as some users have commented, there are many ways to intervene in helping other users and the website itself that is not reflected in the objective numbers of each one. On the other hand, as has also been commented, a dot or comma modification request is not the same as adding photos or information that requires a search. It is also not the same to add a new page with almost no information than a completely completed new page, or an old currency (which requires knowledge and much research) than a current currency that is easy to have all the information.

 

My intention with these comments is not to complicate things but to try to find the best decision that really achieves the objective of helping to improve the web. Anyway, it's a complicated issue, but whatever you decide to do, you'll be welcome. I, for my part, will continue to enjoy trying to collaborate in what I can to improve the web. That's what amuses me.

Coin referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea, Marshall Islands, Moldova, Liberia and Spain
Banknote referee for: Andorra, Equatorial Guinea and Spain

rsirian1

This is all the badges I need.

 

“ Thanks!! ”    “ Thank you ”   “ Thank you for your collaboration ” …

This is the basis and the minimum of the expected encouragement

as long as they are not provided by automatic copy-paste which becomes cumbersome


The place where badges could be awarded, regardless of size or color, is on the list of Former team members and Former catalogue referees. In recognition of having made the site as it is today.

BOINC

The desire to help comes from within. The website is awesome - thanks to the constant community input looking to improve. 

From the last few posts that I have read through the general concensus is that we do not want listings or gamification of He added the most etc but rather what we want is encourage new members to participate actively in Numista so the best solution would be the addition of gamification but at a low and easy to achieve level.

 

Maybe Contributor medal for 100 coins added and 500 added, that seems achievable and still can being members to love and learn about Numista and how to participate.

If you like coins, medals and tokens with ship motives follow my new instagram account with regular updates @numisnautiker
From time to time I sell some coins on Ebay make sure to follow me @apuking on Ebay.

How are things counted in Numista?

 

I just took a look at my own profile:

I know I've made around 2.000 variant documentations, but where are they counted, as “edits”?

 

Just curious.

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

I am not interested in this but… just an idea.

 

In Wikipedia, a private note is show when we write our 1st, 10th, 100th, 1,000th... edtions.

You just made your first edit; thank you, and welcome!
You just made your tenth edit; thank you, and please keep going!
You just made your hundredth edit; thank you very much!
You just made your thousandth edit; thank you for being a great contributor!

Wanted & swap list (euro coins & world coins, exonumia and banknotes circulated) https://goo.gl/AQjfKp - I have euro & world CC coins for swap.

Sjoelund

How are things counted in Numista?

 

I just took a look at my own profile:

I know I've made around 2.000 variant documentations, but where are they counted, as “edits”?

 

Just curious.

 

 

Maybe edits could be broken down to more different stats. The text “added” could also be removed, hence getting more space for “new” type of contributions.

davidhs

I am not interested in this but… just an idea.

 

In Wikipedia, a private note is show when we write our 1st, 10th, 100th, 1,000th... edtions.

You just made your first edit; thank you, and welcome!
You just made your tenth edit; thank you, and please keep going!
You just made your hundredth edit; thank you very much!
You just made your thousandth edit; thank you for being a great contributor!

This we should have, no badges, but this.

*inspecting a Roman mintmark*

Sjoelund

How are things counted in Numista?

 

I just took a look at my own profile:

I know I've made around 2.000 variant documentations, but where are they counted, as “edits”?

 

Just curious.

I suppose that:

  • pages added = new pages of items,
  • varieties added = new lines of year/variety in pages of items,
  • auction records added = (that!)
  • edits = modifications of pages, varieties…

 

Your variant documentations are added in the field “Comments”, are edits.

Wanted & swap list (euro coins & world coins, exonumia and banknotes circulated) https://goo.gl/AQjfKp - I have euro & world CC coins for swap.

Perhaps can be added here the number of personal pictures I contributed to the catalogue?

Sjoelund

Wanted & swap list (euro coins & world coins, exonumia and banknotes circulated) https://goo.gl/AQjfKp - I have euro & world CC coins for swap.

Doesn't matter, except you have to be aware of the inconsistency of the counts. Apples with pears and the result is a red tomato?

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Sjoelund

Doesn't matter, except you have to be aware of the inconsistency of the counts. Apples with pears and the result is a red tomato?

Meaning ???

Céline F.
(Anciennement référente pour billets du Canada /  Former referee for Canada's banknotes)

Big Mac

Sjoelund

Doesn't matter, except you have to be aware of the inconsistency of the counts. Apples with pears and the result is a red tomato?

Meaning ???

Edits = a count of anything with no real meaning!

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

Sjoelund

Big Mac

Sjoelund

Doesn't matter, except you have to be aware of the inconsistency of the counts. Apples with pears and the result is a red tomato?

Meaning ???

Edits = a count of anything with no real meaning!

🤣 🙄 🤣 

Céline F.
(Anciennement référente pour billets du Canada /  Former referee for Canada's banknotes)

Is there a way i can check how many pictures I have added to database (and are currently still on as the main picture)? This info should definitely be separated out of all other "edits" as this usually does mean somewhat more work.

HERE are all pictures you've uploaded with the source as personal picture that are used for reverse, obverse or edge/watermark.

This list is wrong

I have only entered coins that I own, the list indicates 30 of them, there are only 22 of which I provided the photos when creating the file

BOINC

You've probably uploaded pictures for others from pictures editing. I've done that multiple times but then got these pictures in my list to. So edited all the picture sources to Other (not ideal), or you have to try tracking the original picture takers down (if they are even here anymore) and ask them to edit the source to their account.

The links direct to the coins and the source is indicated in © below the images
This is not my ©
Improvements did not modify the source
Work for other members mentioned THEIR copyright, I didn't take the photo, I should have had the coin

BOINC

CREPOSUC

The links direct to the coins and the source is indicated in © below the images
This is not my ©
Improvements did not modify the source
Work for other members mentioned THEIR copyright, I didn't take the photo, I should have had the coin

 

You never uploaded an image in someones' name and put their name as copyright? 

I know I did that a few times and it messed up this list indeed.

Now It is all good :  🤑  void

No suggestion was found for the items in your collection. You are welcome to edit any item in the catalogue if you notice any missing or incorrect information!”

BOINC

Just for fun

BOINC

Kind regards colleagues to all parts of this wonderful planet.

 

This is how I understood it:                                   ,, A little humor to lighten the mood,,

We are collectors of what unites us, and that is a hobby, it's a game - a competition-who has more, prettier, rarer. There are dreamers among us who believe that they have a treasure - that they are secured in case of emergency.

But most of all they play and it's fun and relaxing, the fact that it is mostly played by boys proves that it is a game, Girls take coins rather pragmatically and also like them - however, they only see them as practical used for shopping. ( sorry Collector Girls, it's your elevated blood testosterone)

And since we are playful guys, we also want to be rated: our example is the scouts

We have badges for members of the scouting movement that they fill: example beaver skills

 awarded for skill and work:  Jarcek, Compendium, CREPOSUC, ngdawa, Sjoelund

 

"Beaver silence", for short contributions in the form of SMS as recommended in the instructions : MIMAEL

 

🤣 Just relaxation and nice, stress-free days.

Ivan

Great idea, we offer prize stars or gems by the users name - Stampboards does this.

 

I say awards for number of coins, banknotes and unique coins and banknotes (So you don't get a 10000 point star for owning 8000 1 franc coins or 99999 US cent coins all worn).

 

Also points for adding pages to numista and forum entries.

 

We use metals for grades of member

 

Aluminium = Newbie (Under 9 posts and under 50 coins)

Goes down to Lead and steel for 1 post, how much are my coins worth type posters and people who show Chinese fake rubbish all the time.

 

Steel = Member in bad repute (Fakes, joke posts and little positive comments)

Lead = Member about to go due to poor conduct

 

Bronze = Beginner member (Under 100 posts, but more than 10 - under 1000 coins listed)

 

Stainless Steel = Intermediate member (100 - 249 Posts, under 1000 coins

 

Cupronickel = Intermediate member (250 - 1000 Posts, up to 5k coins, at least 100 types)

 

Billon = Upper Intermediate member (1000 - 2000 posts or up to 10k coins - at least 250 types)

 

Silver = Senior Member, over 2000 posts and/or 10 - 20k coins, at least 300 types

 

Electrum = Senior super member - over 2k posts, over 20k coins at least 500 types

 

Gold = King member - over 5k posts, over 35k coins and at least 750 types

 

Platinum = Best members - Over 8k posts and over 50k coins, at least 1000 types.

 

Special privileges come with every rank, at Silver we do a mill pill section which is special threads for the platinum players and they get 10% discount on Numista medals

 

Gold and Platinum get 25% and automatic Steel and Lead member blocking processes.

I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society

I find this ranking stuff weird. It is a community and catalogue, not a game. Do we want it too look like Discord here?

*inspecting a Roman mintmark*

RegularCoiner

I find this ranking stuff weird. It is a community and catalogue, not a game. Do we want it too look like Discord here?

+1

rsirian1

RegularCoiner

I find this ranking stuff weird. It is a community and catalogue, not a game. Do we want it too look like Discord here?

+1

+1

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

The purpose of any promotion (advertising, sweepstakes, sale, discount, point system, whatever) is to get a benefit for the organization offering the promotion.

 

The basic question: What benefit does Numista want?

 

I don't see any significant benefit to Numista for someone increasing the number of listed coins from 20 000 to 35 000, and I don't see someone taking the effort to list an additional 15 000 coins to gain a Gold badge.

 

Here's what I think would benefit Numista:

  • Getting more members active in improving Numista in many ways.

 

Here's how I think a gamification system could help Numista:

  • Have badge areas in activities that help Numista: Proposed edits, Approved edits, New items, Added pictures, Added  year lines, Adding items to collections, Forum Posts, maybe a few other categories.
  • Make the areas easy for Numista to track. Don't require new code to analyze actions in detail to figure out if it fits the badge description.
  • Give the first level of badge for the first action. Saying “you have the Novice editor badge” says “we are glad you did this”.
  • Make the steps between badges short. Maybe for 1, 5, 10, 20 actions. If someone is interested in badges the short steps show them it isn't hard to go from Bronze to Silver (or Novice to Pro or Centime to Franc).
  • Stop the badges after 50 or 100 actions. We don't want someone to make 10 000 trivial edits to get a Platinum badge. We want people to realize improving Numista is it's own reward – but the badges can encourage get them started on that path.
  • Make it easy for users to say “don't tell me about badges”, “don't show my badges to others”, and “don't show me badges of others”. Some people don't like them – make it easy to avoid them.

 

(None of this is new. It's been covered in earlier posts in this thread by several people.)

I still don't see why this should be added. A thing that is a good idea to add are notifications that thank you for your 1st, 10th, 100th and 1000th edit, like on wikipedia. You encourage someone to keep going without having to make it look like a competition or anything like that.

*inspecting a Roman mintmark*

just for fun,
¤ to serve
¤ to caress the navel
remove the useless phrase

BOINC

Well, all of them (were the last two a joke or do i have a problem with my English?). If you can't have enough fun with collecting by itself, you really shouldn't be here.

*inspecting a Roman mintmark*

Absolutely anything can be collected

BOINC

It was a suggestion, keep your wigs on!

 

We are a very angry group of people at the moment. Never have I had to feel so combative on this site. I have like 3 or 4 “wars” going on at once.

I love coins. Especially silver, gold and anything really old.
Member of the Royal Numismatic Society of New Zealand and the Auckland Numismatic Society

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